Jimster
Why Must I Cry
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Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Please Realheadz to be dropping on why this piece is so valued.
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Jazzsucka
Braek Collector
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Posts: 830
Loc: "Don't know much about soul, but if that's what is selling, then I'm in."
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
I guess SR is hyped because it is a unique piece of psych/jazz w/ funky drumming. I also think it lives up to the hype, but I can understand why it wouldn't be everybody's cup of tea.
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upskiboo
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
im slowly beginning to realize that there is a possibility that i wont ever find this in the field!!!??? 
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Jazzsucka
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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im slowly beginning to realize that there is a possibility that i wont ever find this in the field!!!???
Have you tried Sweden?
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Senior
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Ah, it's been a little while since this came up again.
I personally love it but it may not be everybody's cup of tea.
You could always get the Stones Throw reissue but make sure to pick up the tracks they missed off there (including Clouds one of the greatest tracks) from Monty himself at his website:
http://home.att.net/%7Emontystark/store.html
Where is Monty anyway?
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upskiboo
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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im slowly beginning to realize that there is a possibility that i wont ever find this in the field!!!???
Have you tried Sweden?
nope, but ive spoke with a swedish dealer who found it several times, even found a mint copy which he sold for $25 or something... 
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Grope
Endless Flyer
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
i bought/sold my copy for 350 usd four years ago. i was a little disappointed by the music. i didn't like the sound and, to be totally honest, the quality (sorry monty!). it's still a very good record though. i don't think it's THAT funky. it's more rockish IMO.
the price that people pay now is kinda crazy. it's not worth the money.
i definitely miss it. i want it back. not for 800 though. 
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DjArcadian
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
It's a pleasant listen but I wouldn't pay $400 for an OG copy. I'm happy with my Stones Throw repress.
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hcrink
G.O.A.T.
Reged: Nov 19 2003
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Ask Monty.
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macaca
Microwave Popcorn
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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I'd rather just give 400 dollars to monty than by the OG.
just grab the 2cd reissue. 'acting, thinking, feeling' is too good to pass up.
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PABLO
Why Must I Cry
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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just grab the 2cd reissue. 'acting, thinking, feeling' is too good to pass up.
I just recently purchased the euro 2CD and for some reason I was unaware that Egon even put out an unreleased album (1969) by them but it’s simply outstanding. I think I dig it more than Discovers! I’ve been playing that second CD to death.
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Martin
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
only "grail" i would actually pay 400 bucks for, but you can get that double cd as suggested and get even more good stuff.
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parsec
Hot Schitt
Reged: Jun 20 2004
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Its an interesting record but not really my cup of tea. I think I've listened to the cd maybe 3 times in the past couple of years, I should give it another spin maybe. I played it here at the shop and a customer started whining and asked if I could take it off haha..
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silvertone
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Reged: Nov 14 2004
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
I was gripped by it the first time I heard it, and would go so far as to say it is one of the few grails that I will always wish I had an original of.
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iron_monkey
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
The appeal of this record is very subjective. When a piece such as this attains an almost mythical status, it is bound to disappoint some folks no matter how good it is. Those who expect to have their mind blown to bits from beginning to end will be better off digging up an OG Ege Bamyasi. That is to say, this (Stark Reality)is a solid, unique and funky jazz rock record of the highest order. It is scarce as fuck and anyone with an OG copy should hold on to it for bragging rights alone. It does add to a collectors cache/credibility/etc.
Is it worth it. Yeah, I think so... not the kind of record you can just put on any old time & kick back to but when the mood strikes, it does the trick.
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Monty
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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Please Realheadz to be dropping on why this piece is so valued.
i think the uniqueness of Stark Reality is:
1. John Abercrombie, the great guitarist, had just got off the chittlin' circuit with the Johnny "Hammond" Smith trio.
2. i had just got off the road, which included touring the south in a 7 piece band, 4 horns, amplified acoustic bass, "Mousy" the loudest drummer ever, (this is '60s pre-desegregation), black band, (except me), and i was required to be the only keyboard in the band on 4 mallet vibes, (no guitar either) - the Red Prysock Orchestra.
3. Phil Morrison, an identifiably great bassist, influenced by Paul Chambers, Doug Watkins, et al., had played with Sam Rivers, and had just got an electric bass.
4. Vinnie Johnson was, and still is, a pure classic bebop-to-free, accomplished jazz drummer - funk was required for the gig, and funk was new.
5. i know i don't have a voice, but the gig required somebody had to sing - "acting, thinking, feeling" 1968 with 6 horns, no guitar, live on TV, (Stones Throw 101 DVD), with Phil, Vinnie, and me singing, and the 1969 stuff is also the three of us singing live, and playing at the same time.
6. the Hoagy stuff? tracks recorded live, one after the other, all first takes, one day - the next day i overdubbed the vocals.
7. and now, god bless will.i.am, it finally fucking paid off!
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SoulOnIce
Legendary Up in Here
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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it finally fucking paid off!
     
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iron_monkey
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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Please Realheadz to be dropping on why this piece is so valued.
i think the uniqueness of Stark Reality is:
1. John Abercrombie, the great guitarist, had just got off the chittlin' circuit with the Johnny "Hammond" Smith trio.
2. i had just got off the road, which included touring the south in a 7 piece band, 4 horns, amplified acoustic bass, "Mousy" the loudest drummer ever, (this is '60s pre-desegregation), black band, (except me), and i was required to be the only keyboard in the band on 4 mallet vibes, (no guitar either) - the Red Prysock Orchestra.
3. Phil Morrison, an identifiably great bassist, influenced by Paul Chambers, Doug Watkins, et al., had played with Sam Rivers, and had just got an electric bass.
4. Vinnie Johnson was, and still is, a pure classic bebop-to-free, accomplished jazz drummer - funk was required for the gig, and funk was new.
5. i know i don't have a voice, but the gig required somebody had to sing - "acting, thinking, feeling" 1968 with 6 horns, no guitar, live on TV, (Stones Throw 101 DVD), with Phil, Vinnie, and me singing, and the 1969 stuff is also the three of us singing live, and playing at the same time.
6. the Hoagy stuff? tracks recorded live, one after the other, all first takes, one day - the next day i overdubbed the vocals.
7. and now, god bless will.i.am, it finally fucking paid off!
Hey Monty, thanks for using the photo of me breaking up weed at Guzzo's pad on my OG Stark Reality as your avatar. I'm truly honoured....
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6fran50
Microwave Popcorn
Reged: Oct 21 2005
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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i know i don't have a voice, but the gig required somebody had to sing
i always wondered if the "so-so" vocals was something you did deliberately (ala melvin van peebles) ...
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Monty
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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Hey Monty, thanks for using the photo of me breaking up weed at Guzzo's pad on my OG Stark Reality as your avatar. I'm truly honoured....
heh, i like it even more than
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LaserWolf
Boscoe or Death
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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Please Realheadz to be dropping on why this piece is so valued.
7. and now, god bless will.i.am, it finally fucking paid off!
This is good news. You originally said you were not getting paid for the sample. Things have changed?
BTW I love it, but I am sucker for funky kids records. Everything Monty (did I spell that right?) said about the players is true. I have had 3 copies, 2 I paid cash and trade, one I found in a well picked jazz bin in a popular store for $4.00, mint. But all that was some 8-10 years ago, so you newbies might have a harder time.
Monty, did you record with Prysock?
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Monty
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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You originally said you were not getting paid for the sample. Things have changed?
http://soulstrut.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=359514&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1
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did you record with Prysock?
yeah, early '60s, we did a date at RVG for Mercury Records with the road band + Kenny Burrell on guitar, but by then Red was pretty much over, and nothing was released.
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Bapt
calmos amigo.
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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+ Kenny Burrell on guitar
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holmes
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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+ Kenny Burrell on guitar
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Most definitely. Bapt, you made me think of the store in paris you took me to that had the 'crazy' dude & multiples of the Kenny Burrell 'Ode To 52nd St.' LP. Good times. Did you bother going back for the Jerry Butler LP?
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youngEINSTEIN
Why Must I Cry
Reged: Dec 28 2003
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
if anybody really really needs this record they have a b condition(about vg) copy at disc union shibuya/tokyo japan in the bins for roughly $1200.00 u.s.d.
peace, stein. . . 
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bull_ox
Hot Schitt
Reged: Nov 02 2003
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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if anybody really really needs this record they have a b condition(about vg) copy at disc union shibuya/tokyo japan in the bins for roughly $1200.00 u.s.d.
peace, stein. . .
I can't believe a 1200 dollar record would be languishing in the bins, even in Japan
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fakeass_nickname
Braek Collector
Reged: Jul 23 2005
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
the vocals/lyrics are unbareable.
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Monty
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Did you mean: unbearable?
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SPlDEY
Why Must I Cry
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
He says unbearable, I say unfadeable. Props Mr. Stark.
- spidey
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DeeRock
Brian Peppers
Reged: Oct 19 2004
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
It's funny to me how everyone's taste differs but it sure does. I just last night pulled my og copy out and played it from beginning to end. I forget how filthy it was!!! OMG this record is great and I totally love it. It is one of my favorites. There was a point though that I checked to see if there was dust on the needle and it was just the way the record sounded! Lol. Props to Monty. This is a psych, funk, jazz classic for sure. Incredible strange lp. I happend to catch my copy for $1.00 about ten years ago. I recommend this all day but what do I know? The taste is totally up to the personal individual.
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Mjukis
Medium Raer
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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im slowly beginning to realize that there is a possibility that i wont ever find this in the field!!!???
Have you tried Sweden?
I live in Sweden and have only seen an og on Lars website... For more than $400 I might add. I love both my 2cd and my 2LP reissues, it's not something I listen to every day though, you dig it out once and again and get your mind blown. A lot of expensive records are basically versions of other famous artists' work (as a lot of pricey, sometimes overpriced funk 45s are basically artist trying to copy JB, etc) but the music of Stark Reality is just so unique - if you feel like listening to it, there's no substitute. It's like the jazz/funk/psych version of Sonic Youth or something. Thanks a bunch, Monty.
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Bapt
calmos amigo.
Reged: Apr 12 2005
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Loc: You people have shockingly bad taste. Seriously.
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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+ Kenny Burrell on guitar
forever
Most definitely. Bapt, you made me think of the store in paris you took me to that had the 'crazy' dude & multiples of the Kenny Burrell 'Ode To 52nd St.' LP. Good times. Did you bother going back for the Jerry Butler LP?
Hey! Holmsy Holmes! How are you doing?
Nah, I did not go back to buy that record, a little bit too expensive plus this crazy dude is acting like he knows everything and I hate that. Plus, you can not negociate (I like to negociate!) and most of his records are VG. But if you have a spare for me... holla.
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RAJ
Never Enough Sparkling Mineral Water
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
I'M STILL TOTALLY CONVINCED I WILL FIND THIS RECORD!
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6fran50
Microwave Popcorn
Reged: Oct 21 2005
Posts: 276
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
how many were pressed ?
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laplanetesauvage
Dollar Bin Scourer
Reged: Sep 25 2005
Posts: 309
Loc: cold sweden
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
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I'M STILL TOTALLY CONVINCED I WILL FIND THIS RECORD!
you should come to Sweden, last recordfair here in Stockholm a guy i know was "recommended" this record for about $30 from a dealer he knew....would love to get such recommendations from dealers
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Jazoist
Raers Only on My iPod
Reged: Feb 03 2006
Posts: 79
Loc: Rare pig console
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Re: Stark Reality. Never heard it. Justified hype?
Seemed like random psych music to me, should listen to it more closely. 
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