French Parliament Bans Islamic veils

[Jimster]

I see the Slipknot argument, but very few people, apart from armed robbers, wear masks in public. For entertainment purposes, I don't see this being an issue.





Call me a xenophobe too, but I can't see the sense in coming to another country with a completely different culture, making no attempt to integrate and whinging on and on until you get to practice and live under your own laws, be they religious or family-enforced.





Rejoice that you are better off over here, get your slapper clothes on and get down the f*cking pub double-quick.





It's not done us any harm.

 

[Duderonomy]

J i m s t e r said:


It's not done us any harm.




Will the English govmt consider something similar on 'security' grounds though? As dumb as I think the full veil is, maybe we should be supporting it on grounds of personal privacy, even if we don't agree with it (due to associated cultural 'assumptions' etc). Teh War On Terror may soon move on to party masks, then sunglasses, beards, tattoos...

 

[mickalphabet]

Reynaldo said:


The ban is on full-face veils. I support it.

 

[Flomotion]

J i m s t e r said:


Rejoice that you are better off over here, get your slapper clothes on and get down the f*cking pub double-quick.




Words to live by.

 

[Flomotion]

Duderonomy said:J i m s t e r said:


It's not done us any harm.




Will the English govmt consider something similar on 'security' grounds though? ...




Yep, legislation has already been drafted under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, due to be ratified/debated next year.

 

[Okem]

Flomotion saiduderonomy said:J i m s t e r said:


It's not done us any harm.




Will the English govmt consider something similar on 'security' grounds though? ...




Yep, legislation has already been drafted under the Prevention of Terrorism Act, due to be ratified/debated next year.




Can you provide proof of this, please.

 

[Jimster]

Duderonomy said:J i m s t e r said:


It's not done us any harm.




Will the English govmt consider something similar on 'security' grounds though? As dumb as I think the full veil is, maybe we should be supporting it on grounds of personal privacy, even if we don't agree with it (due to associated cultural 'assumptions' etc). Teh War On Terror may soon move on to party masks, then sunglasses, beards, tattoos...




I meant, slightly tongue-in-cheek, going to the pub has not done us any harm.





Apart from alcoholism and beer-goggle liaisons.





I personally am spooked by the full-face veil, because I watched some itv chiller back in the 70s with a ghost nun who wore like, this fencing mask. Proper shit me up.





Also...





Partial-veils. Eyes-only bithnith. Whaddup with that?





I always immediately recall two things when I see a bird thus dressed:





1. "Police have issued a description of the suspect: Brown eyes."


2. Billy Idol's "Eyes Without A Face" starts up mentally.





Although...





BITD there was a bird on the checkout in Bahrain Airport Duty Free rocking the eyes-only and they were giggling amongst themselves as I ummed and ahhed about some Versace wallet (as this is how I was rolling). I asked what they were laughing about and she gestured me over to whisper to my ear...





[in secsy whisper]"I like your eyes"[/secsy whisper]





Seems eyes are a big deal over there. Lucky me.

 

[Jimster]

PS the wallet lasted about 12 months and represented, at ??96, a complete waste of money. The face wore smooth and the corners frayed.





Now you know.





Sleep well.

 

[tabira]

Horseleech said:This is really about a widespread fear of Muslim subversion of European culture, not women's rights.




Insofar as the culture that europeans want to defend from subversion is one based on individual rights, I don't see how you can separate that from women's rights.





On a different note, some people over here in France have argued that there is no need for the ban because the number of women actually wearing the full veil is small. Though true, the ban is still important as a legitimate affirmation of european culture. You don't not ban something because it's marginal. You do so because it's inline with your values. The full face veil isn't.

 

[Duderonomy]

BITD there was a bird on the checkout in Bahrain Airport Duty Free rocking the eyes-only and they were giggling amongst themselves as I ummed and ahhed about some Versace wallet (as this is how I was rolling). I asked what they were laughing about and she gestured me over to whisper to my ear...





[in secsy whisper]"I like your eyes"[/secsy whisper]

This asks - did you like hers?

 

[bassie]

Horseleech said:This is really about a widespread fear of Muslim subversion of European culture, not women's rights.







It can be about both.

 

[tabira]

bassie said:Horseleech said:This is really about a widespread fear of Muslim subversion of European culture, not women's rights.







It can be about both.

It is

 

[bassie]

I know.

 

[sabadabada]

I know that you know.

 

[HarveyCanal]

But are they gonna ban white tees?

 

[tabira]

sabadabada said:I know that you know.




I know you know you know

 

[pcmr]

i guess france will be like europe's arizona


sarkozy want the FN votes and he will gamble and win


better to talk about this than the bettencourt $$ scandal


it allso takes heat away from the swiss ban on constructing minarets


the thing is this ban and its ''enforcement'' will only galvinise radicals both religious and anti-immigration and continue to exacerbates division/tensions


this might ultimately actually force more women to wear it

 

[bassie]

pcmr said:


continue to exacerbates division/tensions


this might ultimately actually force more women to wear it




How will it force them?





I keep hearing about how this will stigmatize Muslims and increase divisions and tensions...but how so more than wearing a niqab?? What makes a human less approachable - less human actually - than that?


Edit - at least this is cause for discussion, people might actually learn some things they never knew about Islam, etc.





Makes me wonder if head scarves will be de-radicalized and be considered moderate! (And really, they're not that big a deal...how many dudes you know whose head you have never seen for the ball cap/toque? There are dreads, both men and women, who also keep their hair wrapped and wear modest, to-the-ankle and and to-the-wrist clothing)





I have been having this conversation - as I am sure you all have been - for a long time, and the most frustrating aspect of it is the absence of the voice of women who don the kit. I know there are forums, etc. but I want to read/hear them in the news, I want to hear them involved in a discusion/debate, you know?

 

[batmon]

What about Ninja masks?

 

[bassie]

double