The Next Generation of Grails.

The gatefold Damon sold for $5K 20 years ago when a dealer proclaimed there were only 10 copies ever made.

The big psych LP's are at their second peak right now and have been there for about 5 years.

The first peak was in the early 90's pre-Ebay and it took 10 years of ebay to get back to that level.

The folks with world class 50's Rock & R&B LP collections should have sold 10+ years ago.
 
Rockadelic said:


The folks with world class 50's Rock & R&B LP collections should have sold 10+ years ago.

My dad has tons of stuff that falls into this category, LP's & 45's, but he's just a major fan of the music and couldn't give a rat's ass about their worth. He's got a bunch of white test copies w/ hand written labels and promos that he got from his cousin that managed a few regional groups/singers from that period. I don't even bother going through them cause I know I won't get them til he (God forbid) passes.
 
Dragonfly, Azitis, The Music Emporium,and The Majic Ship on Bel- Ami are a few I've watched increase in value. The Index, Fraction, Christopher and that Mariani record on Sonobeat are kind of holding steady.
 
Rockadelic said:james said:Rockadelic said:The 90's saw a lot of "limited edition" releases.





They will be the next generation of grails.




Does that kind of manufactured rarity--the "Limited Edition!" shit--ever result in any real, deep grails, though? It seems like the records (or any collectables, really) in heaviest demand are always precisely the ones that were not meant to last, that were not geared toward careful, savvy collectors who are gonna buy two and keep 'em in the plastic. It's always the most ephemeral, disposable shit--records given away to soldiers, acetates from no-names, baseball cards that came with fried chicken, whatever--that stokes the kind of frenzy that transcends fashion.





My feeling is that anyone who was still buying or manufacturing vinyl in the 90s kinda knew what they were doing. I doubt you're gonna hear about the organic freak shit that inspires real drive, like some Pearl Jam record that's one of ten because the rest of the run got destroyed or something. By the 90s, the folks that knew, knew, you know? There's of course the manufactured collectibilty and its attendant aura, but I think there's a ceiling/expiration date on that shit, and I can't see those records getting the kind of decades-long (that is to say multi-generational) burn that the heavy funk/punk/psyche/whatever jernts enjoy today.





Famous last words, though, right?




I'm one of those guys who was putting out limited edition stuff starting in '88, and no, I had no friggin clue about what I was doing. One early Rockadelic release, Cold Sun, has sold for close to 4 figures and if I knew what the hell I was doing I'd have a box of them stored away in a closet somewhere.

Yeah, I'm sorry--I was thinking less of reissues (I know that Cold Sun technically wasn't a reissue, but you know what I mean) and more in terms of limited-edition contemporary (or then-contemporary) releases: e.g. Third Eye Blind vinyl back then, or Stones Throw Rapper #472 or Third Man shit now. That stuff will have its red-letter days at the market, no doubt, but think it will have comparatively few of them.

I also extend my skepticism to second- and third-generation rap collectors/speculators who have visions of paying for their hovercars with copies of "Burn Rubber" or whatever. During the Texas/Bay regional-rap reawakening a few years back, a number of dudes were saying that in ten years that shit would be the new Random Rap, but I think that by the time that stuff hit, the information saturation level was just too high, fucking the commercially necessary cocktail of proprietary-knowledge-of-the-few-plus-ignorance-of-the-many all up. Again: The folks that knew, knew, you know? And a lot of folks knew, cuz. I just can't see post-internet rap records doing Cobra MCees money.

But you know what? I'm feeling that my particular strain of crankiness here is angled somewhat perpendicular to the thread. So I'm just gonna kinda ease out and go needle-drop this Gauntlet record that I'm pretty sure is gonna be a piece of shit. Good evening.
 
Rockadelic said:


if I knew what the hell I was doing I'd have a box of them stored away in a closet somewhere.

after seeing my 45 starting to break 3 figures already I am wishing I had done this for a rainy day in the future too, i was just glad to see the ass end of all the trips to the post office lol
 
Rockadelic said:




The folks with world class 50's Rock & R&B LP collections should have sold 10+ years ago.

this is true, although I think 50s rock/r&b on 45 could be about to take off again............
 
holmes said:Rockadelic said:


if I knew what the hell I was doing I'd have a box of them stored away in a closet somewhere.

after seeing my 45 starting to break 3 figures already I am wishing I had done this for a rainy day in the future too, i was just glad to see the ass end of all the trips to the post office lol


If I had it to do all over again I have no doubt I'd do it the same way....I put out records so people could hear them, not as some speculative long term investment....If I had, they'd probably be worthless and I'd have a closet full of shit.

And at least in the beginning they were "limited" because we weren't sure we could sell 300 copies!
 
stratasphere said:Dragonfly, Azitis, The Music Emporium,and The Majic Ship on Bel- Ami are a few I've watched increase in value. The Index, Fraction, Christopher and that Mariani record on Sonobeat are kind of holding steady.


I don't think any copy of the Index has sold for as much as the first few did in the 80's.

The Music Emporium is finally back to the price it was at pre-50 OG copies showing up at the Roanoke Record Room in the 90's.

I wouldn't advise paying the "going" price on any of those others in 2010 as an investment for the future.
 
Horseleech said:Reynaldo said:NM AFRICAN




No such thing.





Or so I have read.

That's just what shiftless, mouserink-peddling record hucksters would have us believe. NO MORE. I want my African records NM!
 
Rockadelic said:





If I had it to do all over again I have no doubt I'd do it the same way....I put out records so people could hear them, not as some speculative long term investment....If I had, they'd probably be worthless and I'd have a closet full of shit.





And at least in the beginning they were "limited" because we weren't sure we could sell 300 copies!

ha ha, i am definitely wary of the "closet of shit" outcome, good call.
 
A great number of the 60's and 70's private press LP's never sold out.

I could write a book about the various ways that folks disposed of their "closet of shit"......only to have them be worth $$$ years down the road.

My favorite was the guy who used 100's of his 70's blues/rock LP as a "slip 'n slide" for his kids across the front lawn!
 
A great number of the 60's and 70's private press LP's never sold out.
I could write a book about the various ways that folks disposed of their "closet of shit"......only to have them be worth $$$ years down the road.
My favorite was the guy who used 100's of his 70's blues/rock LP as a "slip 'n slide" for his kids across the front lawn!

Yeah, I was talking to James Goode of the Excels and he told me they frisbee'd a couple hundred copies of their 45 "Let's Dance" in a lake...but I suppose its things like that create it's super scarcity...
 
Thrown off a cliff
Used to measure the space between beams and then encased inside a wall.

Used for skeet shooting (2)

Traveling carnival used them for a baseball/record breaking game.

Lost in tornados (2)
 
The_Hook_Up said:

Yeah, I was talking to James Goode of the Excels and he told me they frisbee'd a couple hundred copies of their 45 "Let's Dance" in a lake...but I suppose its things like that create it's super scarcity...

I like the infamous (in hardcore collecting circles) story of both colors (blue & red vinyl) of the Youth Of Today "Break Down The Walls" 12" on Wishing Well where they were nailed to a deck & then watched curl up in the california sun...... It is thought than at least 66% (200 copies) of the 300 pressed were destroyed.
 
james said:Rockadelic said:The 90's saw a lot of "limited edition" releases.





They will be the next generation of grails.




Does that kind of manufactured rarity--the "Limited Edition!" shit--ever result in any real, deep grails, though?




Often the rares from 90s rock bands are the major label ones - which I usually didn't buy at the time because they WEREN'T trumpted as some colored-vinyl-ltd-to-whatever-type-shit but which actually got smallish pressings one time and that was that.

Of course, at least some of these have been repressed now because of the soaring interest...
 
Reynaldo said:Horseleech said:Reynaldo said:NM AFRICAN




No such thing.





Or so I have read.

That's just what shiftless, mouserink-peddling record hucksters would have us believe. NO MORE. I want my African records NM!

Guess you'll have to start buying reissues then! LOL
 
I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.