The Next Generation of Grails.

[vinylstalker]

Thrown off a cliff

Traveling carnival used them for a baseball/record breaking game./quote]

Unless this was/is a tradition in the south, I came across those guys at a flea market about 6 years ago in Shreveport, La. Had tons of empty lp covers, and quite a few rare titles.

Heartbreaking.

 

[Garcia_Vega]

Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

I haven't seen them, can you easily tell a reissue from the OG?

 

[Reynaldo]

Garcia_Vega said:Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

I haven't seen them, can you easily tell a reissue from the OG?

Yeah, the back has a bar code, codigo logo, and other differentiators.

 

[Horseleech]

Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

OG African records were virtually never manufactured this way.

 

[4YearGraduate]

Isn't this all pretty much an exercise in supply and demand? Low supply, high demand - value. High supply low demand = ameoba bin.

 

[Breez]

Horseleech said:Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

OG African records were virtually never manufactured this way.

Weren't most African LP's just the paper thin covers?? All the ones I have or have had were that. I've never seen a cardboard, pasted back African LP cover.

 

[Reynaldo]

Horseleech said:Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

OG African records were virtually never manufactured this way.

That's one of the reasons why they've held up so poorly in general over time (not that there aren't NMs around), just as modern records with inferior construction will.

 

[TheKindCromang]

Here's a record that has certainly gone down in value (supply? demand?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Joe-Pass-Guitar...ic_on_Vinyl&hash=item4aa504298c#ht_1728wt_943

 

[4YearGraduate]

High supply, waning demand. Dilla Frenzy slowing.

 

[mannybolone]

TheKindCromang said:Here's a record that has certainly gone down in value (supply? demand?)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Joe-Pass-Guitar...ic_on_Vinyl&hash=item4aa504298c#ht_1728wt_943

When was this ever a grail? Even at its high point, if you could get over $50 for it, that was remarkable. We're not talking about his "Better Days' LP after all.

 

[Horseleech]

Reynaldo said:Horseleech said:Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.


OG African records were virtually never manufactured this way.

That's one of the reasons why they've held up so poorly in general over time (not that there aren't NMs around), just as modern records with inferior construction will.

I can't agree with this. They were basically made the exact same way U.K. record sleeves were made and you don't see those falling apart. As much as dealers like to tell you otherwise, a mid 70's record on Nigeria EMI, for example, was a well made object, easily the equal of your average U.S. major label press from the same time.

Columbia always used the paste on method you described, and their covers are absolute shit. Go ahead, try to find an actual NM cover for Kind Of Blue.

The reason African covers don't hold up is because of the climate, insects and poor treatment.

 

[Reynaldo]

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[discos_alma]

Reynaldo said:I'll only buy reissues if they're brown cardboard with the pasted-on back like the new Fania ones. Anything less is doing it wrong.

Akarma catalog collectro revealed!

 

[Horseleech]

Reynaldo said:http://www.popsike.com/Rare-Miles-Davis-Kind-Of-Blue-Mono-6-eye-NMOriginal/280403751984.html

If it's on Popsike it must be true!

b/w

I've literally trolled through hundreds of copies of KOB looking for a NM cover to pair with some NM copies of the record I have and have never found one without ringwear or other defects - including dozens still in the shrink. I'm sure they're out there, but they are damn scarce.

My point is that I have always been a little mystified by the hard-on some people have for paste-on covers. Sure, some of them are beautiful. especially if they are laminated, but this method was used because it was cheap, not because it was the best quality.

 

[SoulOnIce]

Horseleech said:


I can't agree with this. They were basically made the exact same way U.K. record sleeves were made and you don't see those falling apart.

I would say a good 1/3 if not more of the old-style UK sleeves I find are split open. They can be repaired easily, but still - those fold-over flap seams do not hold up over the years.

 

[Horseleech]

SoulOnIce said:Horseleech said:

I can't agree with this. They were basically made the exact same way U.K. record sleeves were made and you don't see those falling apart.


I would say a good 1/3 if not more of the old-style UK sleeves I find are split open. They can be repaired easily, but still - those fold-over flap seams do not hold up over the years.

Sure, but what percentage of old U.S. paste-ons do you find without splits?

 

[Reynaldo]

Horseleech said: I'm sure they're out there, but they are damn scarce.

This is precisely my position on NM African.

 

[Breez]

This record has been gaining some steam this past year. It isn't hitting extremely high prices yet but, imo, give it a little more time and it's gonna be up there. And from what I've heard of it, it is pretty dope.

 

[Reynaldo]

http://uploading.com/files/8f797f4f/donnie+%26+joe+emerson+-+dreamin%27+wild+%281979%29+%28enterprise+%26+co.+e%26c-101%29.rar/

 

[hcrink]

Breez said:This record has been gaining some steam this past year. It isn't hitting extremely high prices yet but, imo, give it a little more time and it's gonna be up there. And from what I've heard of it, it is pretty dope.

There was a goodly amount of quantity on it about 2 years ago that I think has all but dried up. Awesome record.