Bootlegging Killed it (hiphop related)
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
FIOS is ur friend...
FIOS is not my friend because motherfucking AT&T won't let Verizon come over and play.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
FIOS is ur friend...
FIOS is not my friend because motherfucking AT&T won't let Verizon come over and play.
Bastards...
Back to the topic. The whole notion that copy protection will somehow save the industry is fucked. Someone will always hack it. And DRM is pretty pointless. You will never have the consumer fully adopt it. IMO, DRM is what has been holding the online music boom back from reaching wayyy higher numbers. When you hear music sales are down, it's kinda a bullshit number. Because the distribution of online music is so limited and restricted.
Also, I would just like to add, that it's not illegal for us Canadians to download any music... Stop making me feel like I'm doing something wronggggggg
Downloading killed it all. I don't even buy bootlegs anymore. Just DL things. I did buy the Sean Price because I support music I like, but I don't buy any rap mixtapes & most records like the Nas lp. dl'ing must be changing the retail/online game, too. Last week, I got the Dooly-O lp, an Edan ep, & Sean Price's Monkey Bars lp for less than 10 bucks on ebay. All new & sealed. There is not one record store that specializes in new hip hop releases in my city. They've all gone bust in the last 3 years. Sign of things to come?
I think the fact that several DVDs (I think Sideways was one) came with unskippable promo spots about piracy would constitute whining to some degree. I think the movie industry has done its share of whining, but not so much about piracy. It has more to do with the realization that the gap between the home theater and movie theater is lessening, and once you buy the DVD/Blu-Ray/whatever, you can only be charged once for unlimited viewings. They'll probably ramp up piracy adverts once broadband in the US steps up, though.
But yeah, I think video game piracy is a comparatively small issue due to the relative difficulty. For PC games, you're usually SOL for online play on pirated games. And for consoles, it usually requires flashing the drive, buying extra hardware, etc. - not worth the hassle for most people.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Illegally? through torrents you can, though for the most part no.
Legally YOU DEFINATELY can... i do it all the time.
http://www.cinemanow.com << invested in by Microsoft, Lions Gate, among others
http://www.vongo.com << Starz recently launched download/subscription site
Both have dedicated download networks that 90% of the time are giving me DVD quality movies in about 20 minutes.
PS. I use CinemaNow over Vongo as its been around longer and is more relaiable than Vongo. CN consistently gives me downloads in 20 minutes. Plus they have Burn to DVD.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
FIOS is ur friend...
FIOS is not my friend because motherfucking AT&T won't let Verizon come over and play.
Bastards...
Back to the topic. The whole notion that copy protection will somehow save the industry is fucked. Someone will always hack it. And DRM is pretty pointless. You will never have the consumer fully adopt it. IMO, DRM is what has been holding the online music boom back from reaching wayyy higher numbers. When you hear music sales are down, it's kinda a bullshit number. Because the distribution of online music is so limited and restricted.
Also, I would just like to add, that it's not illegal for us Canadians to download any music... Stop making me feel like I'm doing something wronggggggg
Its not going to save the industry. To think that is living in a fantasy land. However most consumers that are interested in music for the most part wold rather pay for it than deal with anything that could be skewed as illegal. Especially with older consumers. You will always have piracy and trading happening however the key is to give people a reason to download the DRM version, there has to be an advantage.
If no hardware manufacturers support MP3 or only very expensive players supported MP3 formats but they all supoprted the Music DRM format you would have a fairly fast shift to the new DRM. But to do this would require a very long plannign period and cooperation between the device and content creators which realistically would not happen. And again this also is mostly the fault of the music industry for being short-sighted and licensing product instead of creating a new speciic product.
And I don't necessarily support alot of this but I have given it alot of thought with people I know in music and on the device end. And its been the only way i can see the industry at least partially gaining some profitability. I don' see their sales ever hitting the figures they did a few years ago again.
I'm just really happy that a thread about the woes of bootlegging has turned into a thread about how to cop more ish!!!
i know right? You can basically get anything off the net if you are resourceful. I would like to say i dont download, but im currently a struggling producer myself, so i dont have 12.99 to go and drop on some mediocre album. Thats the way i see it. I love buying records and copping new shit on wax, but my budget doesn't allow it at the moment so you bet im going to be bootlegging all your shit until my money gets right.
The funny thing though is i got the new jesus price superstar the clean version, from the labels promo squad. So basically your own company is bootlegging its own shit. Granted its for radio play, but still i got a free copy now.
You got to take the good though with the bad. The good is that you have a lot more recognition now in terms of exposure. Ten times more people are hearing your shit and talking about it. But the bad is that your aren't getting paid for it. So you have to compromise. Maybe by this happening, it will lead to bigger production projects in the long run.
The funny thing though is i got the new jesus price superstar the clean version, from the labels promo squad. So basically your own company is bootlegging its own shit. Granted its for radio play, but still i got a free copy now.
You got to take the good though with the bad. The good is that you have a lot more recognition now in terms of exposure. Ten times more people are hearing your shit and talking about it. But the bad is that your aren't getting paid for it. So you have to compromise. Maybe by this happening, it will lead to bigger production projects in the long run.
The thing is. Does any type of DRM stop piracy? And the answer will always be no. All DRM does is restricted the consumer from allowing them to use the product any way they wish. If I download a groups record, I don't wanna hear that I can only listen to the album on what device the RIAA states I can listen to it on. If the RIAA had their way, you would have to pay as many times as possible to play the same song on different devices. And this is wrong.
Could you imagine the TV industry making it so you could only watch TV shows on certain brands of TV's?
But your making it sound like all people downloading music for free off the net are thieves. And I'm sorry to say your wrong.
how so?
right. how is that mistaken.
people take shit without paying for it. thats the definition of stealing.
people take shit without paying for it. thats the definition of stealing.
It might be under the certain laws of you country right now. But in my Country I'm not doing anything illegal.
Not only that, but since 1998 a company for the music industry has been collecting a levy on every blank piece of recordable media that is sold in our country. This money is suppose to be collected and paid to copyright holders.
Right now, they are trying to put that levy on anything classified as a "recording medium".
So that means, for every ipod sold in Canada, a levy of 75 bucks could be added to the price.
I'm not stealing...
It might be under the certain laws of you country right now. But in my Country I'm not doing anything illegal.
Not only that, but since 1998 a company for the music industry has been collecting a levy on every blank piece of recordable media that is sold in our country. This money is suppose to be collected and paid to copyright holders.
Right now, they are trying to put that levy on anything classified as a "recording medium".
So that means, for every ipod sold in Canada, a levy of 75 bucks could be added to the price.
I'm not stealing...
OK -- but your Canada laws aren't really saying its not stealing, theyre just saying its legal/tolerated. and to make up for the stolen goods, they pay copyright holders.
ASCAP does that in the US, they collect and distribute $$ for blank media. it depends on how big your catalog is, and it doesn't add up to much tho, to my knowledge.
Yes it does.
The levy is not a law and is not part of it. And I don't think there is any levy in the US, but I could be wrong.
The levy is something totally separate.
The law in canada makes it so it's totally legal to download any music you want. Your just not allowed to share music with anyone.
I believe this is the law.
80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of
(a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
(b) a performer's performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or(br> (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer's performance of a musical work, is embodied
onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer's performance or the sound recording.
Canada's current levies are as follows: $0.29 per unit for Audio Cassette tape (40min or longer); $0.77 per unit for CD-R Audio, CD-RW-Audio & MiniDisc; $0.21 per unit for CD-R, CD-RW (non audio).
But those fees will be raised soon, with the adding of a levy on all "recording medium".
interesting. thats big that they can't share it. but i imagine they can't enforce the non-sharing policy
