Really young people, too, I think. Like 8 years young--hence Bow Wow outselling more popular acts.
Bootlegging Killed it (hiphop related)
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Really young people, too, I think. Like 8 years young--hence Bow Wow outselling more popular acts.
Right - I was going to add, parents copping CDs for kids too young to d/l.
Hey Emynd, i have your White Tees & White Belts EP with me right now. I will post it here in a minute, I guess you wouldn't mind since it's for promo only, would you ?
Post it, dog. I don't care. For real.
-e
Oh. This was the moment where your angry tears were supposed to short out your 'puter.
Really young people, too, I think. Like 8 years young--hence Bow Wow outselling more popular acts.
Right - I was going to add, parents copping CDs for kids too young to d/l.
I study the game A LOT.
Really young people, too, I think. Like 8 years young--hence Bow Wow outselling more popular acts.
Right - I was going to add, parents copping CDs for kids too young to d/l.
I study The Game A LOT.
And like Chad, do you feel "like you already know him"?
Yeah, that just happened.
Really young people, too, I think. Like 8 years young--hence Bow Wow outselling more popular acts.
Right - I was going to add, parents copping CDs for kids too young to d/l.
I study The Game A LOT.
And like Chad, do you feel "like you already know him"?
Yeah, that just happened.
Look, there is no need to come at me all personal like that.
I am just trying to give you some knowledge of the game for when you start rapping again. You could be investing in plastic surgery, female hormones and a doctored birth certificate right now instead of talking slick to me on the internet.
Hey Emynd, i have your White Tees & White Belts EP with me right now. I will post it here in a minute, I guess you wouldn't mind since it's for promo only, would you ?
Post it, dog. I don't care. For real.
-e
does your label care??
I think when The Game was talking about turning this "into a stripper club", he meant something else.
Exactly... Older peoples still buy CDs but they seem to be looking more for the classics or comps/best of. We do alot of commercial CDs too, but again its definately an over 20 crowd but under 30 crowd and part of it has to do with our proximity almost next to one of the most popular Jamaican restaurants in LA and usually its for whatever track(s) are on the radio. The kids? they will buy indie stuff but thats about it. All are walking in with Zunes (ha yes Zunes) or iPods.
Some younger girls do still buy CDs and I think that is more for the artwork because it has so and so on the cover/insert.
CDs have always been a somewhat disposable medium. The way I see it the Majors are screwed and Indies are gold if they can actually figure out a good business plan with good music/touring/and merch.
Hey Emynd, i have your White Tees & White Belts EP with me right now. I will post it here in a minute, I guess you wouldn't mind since it's for promo only, would you ?
Post it, dog. I don't care. For real.
-e
does your label care??
I???m not sure how this is relevant at all and isn???t just a last ditch effort to make an argument that has very little validity.
A. My personal business philosophy does not necessarily need to parallel the business philosophy of my ???label.??? If dude gets upset, I???m not sure how that affects the points I???m making. It may just mean he???s as stuck in this fictitious past (where records were lucrative) as the rest of y???all.
B. I am quite sure dude wouldn???t care since nobody expected to make a hell of a lot of money off this record anyway. Dude just wanted to sell enough to break even and we???ve already sold enough of the records for that to be a reality. Certainly downloading hasn???t affected the buying habits of consumers to the point that people can???t break even when pressing up a couple thousand records. If you???re really curious about his opinion on the matter, I can ask for you, but I don???t get the sense that you actually care.
As stated earlier in this thread, the reality of the music business is that very few people make very much money off of their products alone. Yes, technology has made this even more clear for a lot of people who feel like downloads are taking substantial amounts of money out of their pockets, but the reality of the music industry for the past decade (and probably the past two or three decades) is that actual music products ain???t where the money is being made???at least for the actual artists. Surely some record labels are floundering, but fuck them. As far as I???m concerned, they deserve to flounder for exploiting artists the way they have.
I really don???t see this new brand of ???bootlegging??? having serious effects on artists though, whether we???re talking about indy artists or major label artists. Artists like the Living Legends who have built up successful independent music careers will continue to sell CDs at shows just as local artists that built core audiences in their towns like Slim Thug will continue to do so as well. Yeah maybe the Jay-Zs of the world aren???t going to go 7 times Platinum anymore, but all that means is that a lot of labels are going to have re-evaluate their budgets and perhaps even give their artists better deals before they run off to labels like Koch Records that are doing quite well with a different business plan.
-e
Hey Emynd, i have your White Tees & White Belts EP with me right now. I will post it here in a minute, I guess you wouldn't mind since it's for promo only, would you ?
Post it, dog. I don't care. For real.
-e
does your label care??
I???m not sure how this is relevant at all and isn???t just a last ditch effort to make an argument that has very little validity.
A. My personal business philosophy does not necessarily need to parallel the business philosophy of my ???label.??? If dude gets upset, I???m not sure how that affects the points I???m making. It may just mean he???s as stuck in this fictitious past (where records were lucrative) as the rest of y???all.
B. I am quite sure dude wouldn???t care since nobody expected to make a hell of a lot of money off this record anyway. Dude just wanted to sell enough to break even and we???ve already sold enough of the records for that to be a reality. Certainly downloading hasn???t affected the buying habits of consumers to the point that people can???t break even when pressing up a couple thousand records. If you???re really curious about his opinion on the matter, I can ask for you, but I don???t get the sense that you actually care.
As stated earlier in this thread, the reality of the music business is that very few people make very much money off of their products alone. Yes, technology has made this even more clear for a lot of people who feel like downloads are taking substantial amounts of money out of their pockets, but the reality of the music industry for the past decade (and probably the past two or three decades) is that actual music products ain???t where the money is being made???at least for the actual artists. Surely some record labels are floundering, but fuck them. As far as I???m concerned, they deserve to flounder for exploiting artists the way they have.
I really don???t see this new brand of ???bootlegging??? having serious effects on artists though, whether we???re talking about indy artists or major label artists. Artists like the Living Legends who have built up successful independent music careers will continue to sell CDs at shows just as local artists that built core audiences in their towns like Slim Thug will continue to do so as well. Yeah maybe the Jay-Zs of the world aren???t going to go 7 times Platinum anymore, but all that means is that a lot of labels are going to have re-evaluate their budgets and perhaps even give their artists better deals before they run off to labels like Koch Records that are doing quite well with a different business plan.
-e
Not trying to make an arguement, dude. Nor am I saying that your philosophy should parallel your label's (although I imagine if your label wasn't cool with it and you were encouraging it, that may cause some problems). I'm just curious. Presumably your label made the initial investment and has the most to lose so they may have a strong opinion about it. If flamin hotz didn't expect to make a lot of money, that's great. Dude's obviously not trying to support himself selling records. People start labels for different reasons.
The whole downloading game has made it much tougher. Period. And seeing your product downloaded and praised all over the internet while sales are slow has got to be a shitty feeling. It's hard to say how much, but it definitely is money out of your pocket.
Labels and artists used to be able to count on sales. Now a lot of them can't. And certain styles and genres aren't necessarily known for their money-making tours to make up for the difference...As a DJ, you obviously can count on performances and tours and your record seems to be more of a promotional tool for that...
But who is gonna pay to see an artist like Ayatollah play beats on stage?
btw - congrats on selling out the record. And rip DC tonight! Wish I were there.
artists aren't exploited. thats a myth.
they enter into a contract freely, of their own will. any deal theyre a part of, they freely authorized with full knowledge of the content.
and the label made the investment, and took all the risk.
artists are like chicks that try to get you to buy them stuff, so you buy er diamonds and shit and then HOPE you get rewarded.
artists aren't exploited. thats a myth.
they enter into a contract freely, of their own will. any deal theyre a part of, they freely authorized with full knowledge of the content.
Yeah, there really is no such thing as an exploitive contract, and every subclause of every contract is readily understandable to every artist.
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artists aren't exploited. thats a myth.
they enter into a contract freely, of their own will. any deal theyre a part of, they freely authorized with full knowledge of the content.
Yeah, there really is no such thing as an exploitive contract, and every subclause of every contract is readily understandable to every artist.
dude. no sympathy for dumb artists. don't sign shit you don't understand.
thats why theres a clause that says "this contract is executed with the full and complete understanding of both parties.." (paraphrase).
anyone who is truly "tricked" into signing something, or forced -- that renders the contract void.
