Chuck D vs. Hot97 re: summer jam

[Jonny_Paycheck]

batmon said:


Public Enema got radio play from the first single P.E.#1...


They had steady radio play on NYC Rap radio (BLS/Kiss/and underground shows all the way through the first 4 albums.










radio... suckers never play me





black radio, yes I said black radio, is putting most of us to sleep in the 90s








only PE I really heard on *non-underground/late nite/mixshow* radio was "Fight The Power" and "Don't Believe The Hype".





difference is, nowadays there is not really underground/late nite/mix show radio (with the notable exception of.... Rosenberg's show.... on Hot 97.... and the several different classic hip-hop shows on WBLS)





I am entirely sympathetic to the overall point of wanting more diversity on the airwaves but dudes need better arguments. this shit is vague as fuck and not really addressing reality.

 

[batmon]

Jonny_Paycheck said:batmon said:


Public Enema got radio play from the first single P.E.#1...


They had steady radio play on NYC Rap radio (BLS/Kiss/and underground shows all the way through the first 4 albums.










radio... suckers never play me





black radio, yes I said black radio, is putting most of us to sleep in the 90s








only PE I really heard on *non-underground/late nite/mixshow* radio was "Fight The Power" and "Don't Believe The Hype".





difference is, nowadays there is not really underground/late nite/mix show radio (with the notable exception of.... Rosenberg's show.... on Hot 97.... and the several different classic hip-hop shows on WBLS)





I am entirely sympathetic to the overall point of wanting more diversity on the airwaves but dudes need better arguments. this shit is vague as fuck and not really addressing reality.




Yeah





I ready didnt expect to hear Public Enemy on any daytime/primetime mainstream NYC radio show in 87-89.


Hip Hop still had somewhat of a counter-cultural stance back then.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

right. I guess my point is you didn't hear Teh Real Shit on the radio back then... you still don't.

 

[HarveyCanal]

Jonny_Paycheck said:right. I guess my point is you didn't hear Teh Real Shit on the radio back then... you still don't.




We did in Houston though. And shoot, it lasted well into the late 90's as being at least halfway decent, maybe even better as Houston classics like Southside, Tops Drop, 25 Lighters, etc. started dropping. Jdeez could elaborate more on that as he was in the mix there for a while.





But now of course it's just the same Clear Channel bs on repeat.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

well see.... the same thing could be said about the Bay Area to a degree. Or to NYC. There used to be a lot more options, but daytime airplay was never very deep. There was probably more regional focus and occasional left field selections (not left field as in, the DJ just felt like throwing this on.... left field as in, random songs that happened to catch on in a particular market. For instance I still hear shit like "Pistolgrippump" on *daytime* radio in the Bay). There have always been Program Directors.





the songs being played on air right now are *these kids'* classics. It is what it is. they ain't gonna opt for Freddie Gibbs, that's dad rap to them.

 

[staxwax]

So maybe kids in your building and on orchard beach dont constitute the vast masses? You saying they arent listening to hot97, arent they still bumping the same shit the radio plays? Whats vague about attacking radio and major media outlets for pushing monotone mindless drivel and propagating/commodifying racial slurs? Btw this goes beyond your block, its a worldwide fenom. Is your next post going to be the equivalent of staring at your navel and saying statistics arent real and everything is 'just the way it is'? I might not agree with everything chuck is saying but if he can sonehow affect corporate monopoly over the representation of a genre of music he cares about, thats far from futile methinks. Chuck d is in quite a unique position being who he is and im willing to lend him my ear on this. Hes trying to raise awareness of how a corporation seems to be setting a cultural agenda based on recent events, ie summer jam 2014 if that wasnt abundantly clear already. So its not old man don quichoting about radio not being real. Its just the opposite of being defeatist and complacent and not taking offense at offensive shit.

 

[batmon]

Jonny_Paycheck said:right. I guess my point is you didn't hear Teh Real Shit on the radio back then... you still don't.




No doubt.





There was a small window when a percentage of "Underground" Hip Hop was being played alongside Bangers(Bangers w/ street cred) when Hot 97 first started. And that was still when there were late-late night options.





I dont see what the long term effect will be if Fart 97 did "diversify" their playlist. Or even if they "cleansed" the content.

 

[batmon]

staxwax said:So maybe kids in your building and on orchard beach dont constitute the vast masses? You saying they arent listening to hot97, arent they still bumping the same shit the radio plays? Whats vague about attacking radio and major media outlets for pushing monotone mindless drivel and propagating/commodifying racial slurs? Btw this goes beyond your block, its a worldwide fenom. Is your next post going to be the equivalent of staring at your navel and saying statistics arent real and everything is 'just the way it is'? I might not agree with everything chuck is saying but if he can sonehow affect corporate monopoly over the representation of a genre of music he cares about, thats far from futile methinks. Chuck d is in quite a unique position being who he is and im willing to lend him my ear on this. Hes trying to raise awareness of how a corporation seems to be setting a cultural agenda based on recent events, ie summer jam 2014 if that wasnt abundantly clear already. So its not old man don quichoting about radio not being real. Its just the opposite of being defeatist and complacent and not taking offense at offensive shit.




Hot 97 is a Global trendsetter in 2014?





NYC hasnt been the Nexus for a long minute.

 

[staxwax]

batmon said:staxwax said:So maybe kids in your building and on orchard beach dont constitute the vast masses? You saying they arent listening to hot97, arent they still bumping the same shit the radio plays? Whats vague about attacking radio and major media outlets for pushing monotone mindless drivel and propagating/commodifying racial slurs? Btw this goes beyond your block, its a worldwide fenom. Is your next post going to be the equivalent of staring at your navel and saying statistics arent real and everything is 'just the way it is'? I might not agree with everything chuck is saying but if he can sonehow affect corporate monopoly over the representation of a genre of music he cares about, thats far from futile methinks. Chuck d is in quite a unique position being who he is and im willing to lend him my ear on this. Hes trying to raise awareness of how a corporation seems to be setting a cultural agenda based on recent events, ie summer jam 2014 if that wasnt abundantly clear already. So its not old man don quichoting about radio not being real. Its just the opposite of being defeatist and complacent and not taking offense at offensive shit.




Hot 97 is a Global trendsetter in 2014?





NYC hasnt been the Nexus for a long minute.

Chuck D wants Urban radio to "get it right or be gone" -- and he's not just talking about Hot 97 in New York.





"My goal by year's end is to change the face and sound of urban radio," Chuck D, 54, promised. "I've been in this shit 30 years, too long to just sit and let it be. I'm not going to be the grim reaper. I don't want to be the grim reaper. But people have to stand up and we need some change, and it's time."

 

[batmon]

So he should be attacking Hot 97's bosses then.





Either way......what do u forsee coming out of this if he and his support actually succeeded?





Then chase down You Tube Rappers to regulate themselves?

 

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[kala]

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[LaserWolf]

"The reason kids like [Hot 97] is their parents don't."





ÔÇ£My only deep sorrow is the unrelenting insistence of recording and motion picture companies upon purveying the most brutal, ugly, degenerate, vicious form of expression it has been my displeasure to hearÔÇöNaturally I refer to the bulk of [Hot 97]."





"It fosters almost totally negative and destructive reactions in young people. It smells phony and false. It is sung, played and written for the most part by cretinous goons"

 

[DOR]

Jonny_Paycheck said:I remember when PE never got played on the radio. Back then there were precisely NONE of the channels kids have nowadays, including but not limited to the traditional record biz.




This doesn't include college radio tho, right? I remember looking at nationwide charts across North America and it was a normal thing to see PE charted and played. And thats a major difference today. When we were growing up. A massive amount of "youth" radio was from college stations. Today, the youth have completely changed the way they consume music and it's college radio that is dying in a big way.

 

[Horseleech]

batmon said:So he should be attacking Hot 97's bosses then.




Isn't that what he's doing?





"Though D labeled comments that Hot 97 personalities Ebro Darden and Peter Rosenberg made to Billboard in response to his criticisms "a bunch of hogwash," the MC said his argument is less with them and more with station ownership.





"It's about their bosses," D said. "That's where the discussion needs to go."

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

The deregulation and consolidation of the airwaves happened over time and that ship has long sailed.





Neither Chuck nor The Consolidated Internets Of Our Discontent will change a damn thing about it.





The same thing is happening to the actual web right now. All of the various other channels and avenues for hearing different/new music are in danger. Blogs have been coopted, Internet radio as well. I wish Chuck and others would focus less on Summer Jam and bad words and Da Kulcha and big bad multimedia corporations and more on the actual issues that are currently in flux, where grassroots support might still matter.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

@DOR yeah I am not talking about college radio. Whole different animal.





Man I remember when college radio was great, and I was able to build my collection of rare groove and hip-hop from raiding the li- oh wait, nvrmnd

 

[LaserWolf]

College radio never ruled the airwaves.


Mainstream corporate radio has always been what most people listen to.


Mainstream corporate radio has always been for sapheads.


The kids will be just fine.





Hip hop may, or may not, survive.


If hip hop survives it will be because of young dynamic artists connecting with a young audience.


It is not the job of corporate radio to save hip hop.

 

[DB_Cooper]

Jonny_Paycheck saidDOR yeah I am not talking about college radio. Whole different animal.





Man I remember when college radio was great, and I was able to build my collection of rare groove and hip-hop from raiding the li- oh wait, nvrmnd




AWB - Cut The Cake-related

 

[staxwax]

So you guys reckon Angie Martinez' resignation and move to power 105.1 had anything to do with this?


Announcing a sudden departure on the day via instagram?





There some speculation about this over at Complex

This is a tremendous coup by a station that has always played the little brother role given HOTÔÇÖs legacy in NYC. Which makes WQHTÔÇÖs spat with rap immortal Chuck D troubling. Peter Rosenberg and EbroÔÇÖs decision to dismiss the Public Enemy frontman as just some senile senior citizen drew ire from the Twittersphere, most notably, from former Hot 97 "Morning Show" personality Star. Maybe the events that have transpired in recent months pushed Angie out the door for greener pastures.