You're absolutely right. But the point was: It. Was. A. Joke.
I don't think anyone was seriously calling for a ban on tasers. The joke was pointing out how vacuous the taser defense is to begin with.
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I don't think anyone was seriously calling for a ban on tasers. The joke was pointing out how vacuous the taser defense is to begin with.
That's one of the most disguting things I've ever seen.
Seriously, I think there's something going very wrong with this society and its police force.
If anything, cops should be punished harder than civilians.
They are paid to serve and protect after all and it's the people who put a gun in their hands to do this job. If then a police officer turns around and kills or injures a citizen, this should be considdered an even bigger crime than one citizen shooting another.
It should be unacceptable that obviously pretty much the entire people are aware that police officers often manage to get away with murder or receive much more lenient punishment than what a civilian could expect.
How could things have gone so far?
Could it be be that the police force is being so underpaid that too many people become officers who should never be allowed to carry a gun nor a badge? Do offenders in uniform not get punished properly because the legal system rather loses its credibility than risking an understaffed police force?
Seriously, I think there's something going very wrong with this society and its police force.
If anything, cops should be punished harder than civilians.
They are paid to serve and protect after all and it's the people who put a gun in their hands to do this job. If then a police officer turns around and kills or injures a citizen, this should be considdered an even bigger crime than one citizen shooting another.
It should be unacceptable that obviously pretty much the entire people are aware that police officers often manage to get away with murder or receive much more lenient punishment than what a civilian could expect.
How could things have gone so far?
Could it be be that the police force is being so underpaid that too many people become officers who should never be allowed to carry a gun nor a badge? Do offenders in uniform not get punished properly because the legal system rather loses its credibility than risking an understaffed police force?
Nowadays, they won't even train you, let alone hire you to be a cop unless your IQ is BELOW a certain level.
I think it's simpler than that. For the vast majority of Americans, police are seen as the "good guys" and there is a general belief that if they shoot someone, it's presumed justified until overwhelmingly proved not. And in the case where the victim is a black male, you have the added, overwhelming presumption of their guilt.
Imagine, instead, if a cop shot an unarmed young white mother, in the back, laying on the floor, with multiple videos? Game over.
I saw this snippet of some TV show, either Cops or something simular recently where they strapped a naked woman o a chair, pulled a cotton bag over her head and left her in a cell like that. The fact that shit like this is being aired for entertainment purposes made it even more sickening and perverse.
That's what I'm saying. I'm no weapons expert, but don't you have to pull the slide back and load a round before you fire a pistol? To say nothing of the safety. You're a transit cop, not Jack Bauer. Your piece should be in full lockdown mode.
ummm I'm pretty sure it's standard for any cop to roll with one in the chamber. Shit, I would. F*ck lockdown mode, If I'm a cop and I got some fuckhead coming at me with a knife or a gun, do I REALLY want to be concerned with chambering a round? HELL NO.
yeah that cop was an idiot but not because he had one in the chamber. That's standard protocol as far as I know.
That's what I'm saying. I'm no weapons expert, but don't you have to pull the slide back and load a round before you fire a pistol? To say nothing of the safety. You're a transit cop, not Jack Bauer. Your piece should be in full lockdown mode.
ummm I'm pretty sure it's standard for any cop to roll with one in the chamber. Shit, I would. F*ck lockdown mode, If I'm a cop and I got some fuckhead coming at me with a knife or a gun, do I REALLY want to be concerned with chambering a round? HELL NO.
yeah that cop was an idiot but not because he had one in the chamber. That's standard protocol as far as I know.
In any case, I don't think the video shows him chambering a round. He pulls, points, shoots.
That's what I'm saying. I'm no weapons expert, but don't you have to pull the slide back and load a round before you fire a pistol? To say nothing of the safety. You're a transit cop, not Jack Bauer. Your piece should be in full lockdown mode.
ummm I'm pretty sure it's standard for any cop to roll with one in the chamber. Shit, I would. F*ck lockdown mode, If I'm a cop and I got some fuckhead coming at me with a knife or a gun, do I REALLY want to be concerned with chambering a round? HELL NO.
yeah that cop was an idiot but not because he had one in the chamber. That's standard protocol as far as I know.
The question in my previous post was telepathically directed at you, Daze, because I know you be knowing these things, so thanks for weighing in.
It seems a little extreme for a transit cop to be rolling like that, but that's just me. Maybe BART has a seamy underbelly I didn't see when I rode it this summer.
Pistol S.O.P. aside, dude shouldn't have been pulling out at all. That, I think, we've all agreed on.
Daze, that's exactly how people get 'accidently' shot. There is no reason for the police officer to believe he was in immediate danger. You don't point at, let alone put your finger on the trigger until you have decided there is a good chance you're gonna shoot. Basic gun safety: finger off trigger, aim, safety off, finger on trigger, squeeze. Guns don't kill people...
I agree with Frank that when a policeman breaks the law while on duty the penalty should be more severe.....they are being paid to uphold the law, not break it.
As far as the problem with police in general goes I'll give my opinion...
There are 800,000 policeman employed in the U.S. You take any random 800,000 people of the same profession, ethnicity, religion, etc., etc. a certain percentage of them are going to be low life scumbags....and police are not immune from this equation.
Take that along with the fact that the job of being a police officer sucks....the pay is average, the risk is tremendous and your dealing with a lot of low life scum which I imagine after a while tends to blur your perception. Not too many professions require that you take daily verbal abuse for simply perfoming your job.
The people who tend to want to become policeman have a personality that is attracted to danger and sometimes unfortunately, power. And this power can, and often does, corrupt. There are policeman out there who see how crime does indeed pay and they cross over to that side of the law.....plenty of police corruption out there. Some let the power go to their head and think they are above the law, and yet others are so scared shitless on a daily basis that they overreact when in the face of danger. I'm not sure what my reaction would be but I'm also smart enough to know I'm not cut out to be a cop.
There were approximately 200 people killed by police in the U.S. in 2007. About 30% of those were determined to be questionable and the officers were prosecuted. One person being unlawfully killed by the police is too many, but 200 by a police force of 800,000 is 0.025% of the officers. Put that into perspective...1 out of every 4,000 policeman were involved in a citizen being killed. Hardly a majority or anything close to one. And for the record approximately 200 police are killed on the job each year as well.
On a somewhat related note there was a news story last week about a 19 year old who raped and killed his own 17 year old sister....everyone involved said he was a great guy with no obvious problems....he was a week away from becoming a soldier....if he had gone overseas and committed a similar crime he would have been a "fucked up Soldier".....in reality he's just a "fucked up human" who happened to choose to become a soldier.
Some of these cops are fucked up humans who chose to be cops and somehow fooled a police force into hiring them. As someone with family members who are police officers I can tell you that the folks who do NOT pass the physical and emotional screenings to become a cop are REALLY fusked up.
So what's the answer.....punish any rogue cop to the maximum the law allows...... do a better job of hiring and training......encourage positive interaction between the force and the community.
Personally, I respect the police knowing that they are doing something miserable and nearly thankless. I've had bad experiences with police, when you look like me it comes with the territory. But I judge them as individuals, not on some "F*ck Tha Police" nonsense. I've met some that should not have a badge, and I've met some that have saved many people's lives. Batmon has told some stories about his policeman dad that left me with the impression that he was a damn good dude. I don't want to ever suggest "F*ck Batmon's Dad"......but that is what we do when we throw them all in the same box.
This BART incident is a terrible tragedy and the Cop needs to be accountable. He'll have a real nice Welcome Wagon waiting for him when he gets to prison. He'll probably wish he was handed a death sentence.
RIP Oscar Grant
F*ck A Criminal Cop
Thanks to the majority of the police who do their job correctly and with integrity.....these criminal cops make your job infinitely harder.
And your job sucks to begin with.
As far as the problem with police in general goes I'll give my opinion...
There are 800,000 policeman employed in the U.S. You take any random 800,000 people of the same profession, ethnicity, religion, etc., etc. a certain percentage of them are going to be low life scumbags....and police are not immune from this equation.
Take that along with the fact that the job of being a police officer sucks....the pay is average, the risk is tremendous and your dealing with a lot of low life scum which I imagine after a while tends to blur your perception. Not too many professions require that you take daily verbal abuse for simply perfoming your job.
The people who tend to want to become policeman have a personality that is attracted to danger and sometimes unfortunately, power. And this power can, and often does, corrupt. There are policeman out there who see how crime does indeed pay and they cross over to that side of the law.....plenty of police corruption out there. Some let the power go to their head and think they are above the law, and yet others are so scared shitless on a daily basis that they overreact when in the face of danger. I'm not sure what my reaction would be but I'm also smart enough to know I'm not cut out to be a cop.
There were approximately 200 people killed by police in the U.S. in 2007. About 30% of those were determined to be questionable and the officers were prosecuted. One person being unlawfully killed by the police is too many, but 200 by a police force of 800,000 is 0.025% of the officers. Put that into perspective...1 out of every 4,000 policeman were involved in a citizen being killed. Hardly a majority or anything close to one. And for the record approximately 200 police are killed on the job each year as well.
On a somewhat related note there was a news story last week about a 19 year old who raped and killed his own 17 year old sister....everyone involved said he was a great guy with no obvious problems....he was a week away from becoming a soldier....if he had gone overseas and committed a similar crime he would have been a "fucked up Soldier".....in reality he's just a "fucked up human" who happened to choose to become a soldier.
Some of these cops are fucked up humans who chose to be cops and somehow fooled a police force into hiring them. As someone with family members who are police officers I can tell you that the folks who do NOT pass the physical and emotional screenings to become a cop are REALLY fusked up.
So what's the answer.....punish any rogue cop to the maximum the law allows...... do a better job of hiring and training......encourage positive interaction between the force and the community.
Personally, I respect the police knowing that they are doing something miserable and nearly thankless. I've had bad experiences with police, when you look like me it comes with the territory. But I judge them as individuals, not on some "F*ck Tha Police" nonsense. I've met some that should not have a badge, and I've met some that have saved many people's lives. Batmon has told some stories about his policeman dad that left me with the impression that he was a damn good dude. I don't want to ever suggest "F*ck Batmon's Dad"......but that is what we do when we throw them all in the same box.
This BART incident is a terrible tragedy and the Cop needs to be accountable. He'll have a real nice Welcome Wagon waiting for him when he gets to prison. He'll probably wish he was handed a death sentence.
RIP Oscar Grant
F*ck A Criminal Cop
Thanks to the majority of the police who do their job correctly and with integrity.....these criminal cops make your job infinitely harder.
And your job sucks to begin with.
Rich, you are ignoring the institutional racism that goes along with being a cop, intending-to-be-a-good cop or not. You counted up 200 killings, but how many undeserving civilians were restrained, beaten, tased, arrested under shady pretenses, racially profiled, given inordinate sentences after getting thrown into the court by the cops, etc?
This is far from a certain-percentage-of-bad-seeds issue and you really should get up to speed on it as you look albeit well-intentioned, but ultimately ignorant by not.
This is far from a certain-percentage-of-bad-seeds issue and you really should get up to speed on it as you look albeit well-intentioned, but ultimately ignorant by not.
Apparently Mistah FAB (who was at the protest) just released an Oscar Grant tribute song. Haven't heard it yet and I can't cut 'n paste but if no one beats me to it I'll up it in a few hours from home.
agreed...but I believe if you carry a pistol you should ALWAYS have it chambered and decocked. Decocked means you'll have about a 10 lb trigger pull because it's in dual action mode which means you pretty much have to intend to pull the trigger. If it's cocked then that's single action which is like a 2 to 3 pound pull which is what people refer to as a hair trigger. noone carries a pistol chambered and cocked unless they're an idiot.
Cops always have to assume they'll be in immediate danger at any given moment, that shit comes with the turf. THAT cop however, drew and shot when it was nowhere near necessary.
all I'm saying is if a cop has to draw his weapon it should be ready to go at a seconds notice. I just don't think cops should pull their weapons anywhere near as much as they do.
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