Freestyle Fellowship diss at unkut.com = strutnip?

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Snapping

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http://www.unkut.com/2013/08/that-shit-i-dont-like-freestyle-fellowship-innercity-griots/#comments

Robbie at unkut.com makes a bunch of blanket statements about disliking "coffee shop art rap", and the Innercity Griots album specifically, and his comments section goes bananas. His statements are pretty much consistent with his "conservative rap coalition" views. But honestly I am finding myself sympathetic with some of the commentors.
There are a lot of layers of cultural understanding and misunderstanding revealed here. For a white dude from Australia to pass judgement on what is and is not real hip-hop is a little laughable. But Freestyle Fellowship were trying to do something different. Authenticity was not their goal. And ultimately it should not be an artist's goal. I like the interviews on unkut.com, but I think think he showed his ass a little on this one. As one commentor said "vanilla is great ice-cream but at least respect the other flavors"
 
I have no idea who that guy is, but I'd never trust the opinion of someone who speaks in such extremes, positive or negative.





It's not your thing? Move on. The Australian Crusades for Real Rap and shit.
 
Gtfo with the Australian angle. Firstly alot of cats on here are white middle class and still pass judgement on black music everyday so how is that different? And i recall alot of dudes giving unkut props over the years. You dont agree with Robbie cool but being Australian has no relevance here. 90% of you fall in the same bracket as him.
 
So you're saying somewhere in the internets people are having beef over a rap album that came out 20 years ago?





I'm superexcited to find out more about it. (Cancelling all plans for today.)
 
LokoOne said:Gtfo with the Australian angle. Firstly alot of cats on here are white middle class and still pass judgement on black music everyday so how is that different? And i recall alot of dudes giving unkut props over the years. You dont agree with Robbie cool but being Australian has no relevance here. 90% of you fall in the same bracket as him.nah im pretty sure being Australian (or being a non-American actually) diminishes one of having any sort of rapp credibility
 
Snapping said:For a white dude from Australia to pass judgement on what is and is not real hip-hop is a little laughable.




A point fractiously debated at considerable length in this latter-day classique.





Personally, if Unkut dude believes OF to be the logical conclusion of what Sage Francis was doing, then it's no wonder he struggles with getting his head around what FF were aiming at. His rant just reads like a less well-articulated version of some of the shit that used to pop off on here about seven years ago. Full of the same sort of wanky ad-hominems as well - are we quite sure dude doesn't/didn't post here?





Also, people always try to make these things about "white middle class" dudes "passing judgment" on black music. Well, I wonder did it ever occur to anyone that the objection might have more to do with Americans (sometimes African-Americans) taking issue with non-Americans who try to claim a more nuanced understanding of an African-American artform, simply because of their adherence to a very rigid, fundamentalist aesthetic that only really developed in the first place as a reaction to the Bad Boy era, when Fifth Avenue rap swept all before it and some people got really upset about other people not having the "correct" response to music. In the absence of too much first-hand experience, many of these guys have since fooled themselves into believing that this is how it was all the time back in the day, to the point that they've turned a simple matter of personal preference into a manifesto.





It's possible, of course, that the guy isn't being entirely serious. However, I've found that having a sense of humour and a relaxed attitude about this shit often comes a long, long way behind "representing that real hip-hop" for a certain strain of rap blogger.
 
Ivory: It???s a shame with a lot of people not from New York, because they have good ideas, some of the production???s alright, but???.they just can???t rap! I mean Outkast ??? everything about them???s so right, they???re so individual and they couldn???t give a fuck. I really like everything about Outkast, but they can???t rap! They just can???t put it down like New Yorkers. It???s such a shame, ???cause that???s how hip-hop should be???kinda weird, dress how you want???they???re really spiritual and standing alone. When everyone was really up on Outkast with the early stuff I was like ???No, no, no???, but lately, I???ve thought to myself ???Yeah, they???re everything hip-hop should be ??? apart from the sound???. The beats are alright, the singings alright, but if they sounded like Tragedy ???





Robbie: That???d be some hot shit.
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The Good Life Cafe was "harder than all y'all n*ggas"...





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DocMcCoy said:Snapping said:For a white dude from Australia to pass judgement on what is and is not real hip-hop is a little laughable.




A point fractiously debated at considerable length in this latter-day classique.





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Oh man that was a doozy.
 
rootlesscosmo said:who's 'Robbie?'





what's 'unkut.com?'




Robbie is the cat who does the unkut interviews, many of which are really dope. He's dead wrong on this one, but dude puts in work. I enjoy his shit.
 
Jonny_Paycheck said:rootlesscosmo said:who's 'Robbie?'





what's 'unkut.com?'




Robbie is the cat who does the unkut interviews, many of which are really dope. He's dead wrong on this one, but dude puts in work. I enjoy his shit.




it's not so much that he's wrong about Innercity Griots being good (obviously he's glaringly, laughably wrong about that), it's that his "critique" is just crap.





He strikes me as someone who never really listened to the album (indeed, he nearly admits as much in this little piece of his). Which makes it doubly wack that he'd write a post about it.





On an unrelated note, I'm thrilled that he's been able to secure interviews with some really interesting hip hop people over the years, and managed to ask them halfway decent questions.
 
That was DJ Ivory of the P Bros that said that, I'm not gonna put words in Robbie's mouth.








But I mean, it's not like I never heard that sentiment when I moved to NY.








That shit is not his lane, nor should it be. Which is why the FF piece is weak, he's out of his depth.
 
The interviews on Unkut are some of the best knowledge that the internets contain on rap music (read the Silver Fox interview for just one truly outstanding example), but every time dude bigs up some modern day music or discusses current rap in any context it's cringeworthy. b/w why are you australians so perpetually butt-hurt about your place in the rap-fan pantheon? This is like a nonstop issue around these parts.
 
Explain to me how Robbie being aussie makes his opinion more or less valid? And also im also from australia (via argentina) and i actually am a big FF fan and like most of the artist that robbie disses, as do heaps of ppl down under, matter of fact Hot Potato was a minor hit here when it dropped. So how does that fit into your analysis?
 
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