israel vs the sewer/refuge camp

rootlesscosmo said:HarveyCanal said:quit targeting civilians.




*maybe* you'd be taken seriously on this topic if you directed this admonition at both parties to this conflict.





again, still a big *maybe* considering your past pronouncements on related topics.





though I admire your restraint in not (yet?) injecting international Jewish banking conspiracies into the debate.





(on 2nd thought maybe you already have, and I'm merely giving your "all the money in the world" remark a misplaced benefit of the doubt?)




Taken seriously?





Your voice has shithole Satanic money fuck behind it.





My voice merely has bass aka soil to it.





You lose. Even if you have no idea.





P.S. I don't hate you, but you really need to stop...homie.
 
HarveyCanal said:Because people aren't standing up for "Palestine" as a role model utopia. And people aren't standing up for Hamas at all...which is where y'all have it twisted. People are standing up for the civilians of Gaza not to be bombed nor bulldozed by a foreign intruder backed by all the money in the world.





It's not a cultural war of Islam versus Judaism to us. It's merely a plea to respect borders and international law and again, quit targeting civilians.




This is not a black and white cut and dry situation where israel should just 'quit targeting civilians backed by all the money in the world.'


First of all - the ceasefire that existed has effectively ended again after hamas -bankrolled by their vile, fascist, and terrorist backers - continued firing rockets - at Israeli civilians. so once again they have initiated armed conflict in order to assume the victims role.


what else could they possibly have hoped to gain if not a continued conflict with no end in sight to the suffering (martyring) of their own people? Secondly - Hamas is a Palestinian organization, elected and supported by and consisting of palestinians - thirdly hamas operates purposefully from within civilian enclosures to ensure maximum PR damage when Israel inevitably retaliates - so how can the line between civilians and hamas not blur? it is a strategy. And lastly hamas and their ilk most definitely see this as an islamic vs. judeo-christian conflict which is effectively a never ending conflict from their own pov - until one side is 'wiped out'. But god forbid Israel should react disproportionately - which they may have very well done - they should just endure a constant fanatical terrorist threat in their backyard because, well the occupied territories. The only way forward is a complete denouncement by the palestinians of their current leadership.
 
staxwax said:The only way forward is a complete denouncement by the palestinians of their current leadership.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2715466/Israeli-official-calls-concentration-camps-Gaza-conquest-entire-Gaza-Strip-annihilation-fighting-forces-supporters.html





https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104





Live in a concentration camp, or fight the people who put you there?








DocMcCoy said:





This piece from, of all places, Gawker's dedicated sports blog is a must-read. The writer had this to say on the militarisation of the police force;





"The worst part of outfitting our police officers as soldiers has been psychological. Give a man access to drones, tanks, and body armor, and he'll reasonably think that his job isn't simply to maintain peace, but to eradicate danger. Instead of protecting and serving, police are searching and destroying.





If officers are soldiers, it follows that the neighborhoods they patrol are battlefields. And if they're working battlefields, it follows that the population is the enemy. And because of correlations, rooted in historical injustice, between crime and income and income and race, the enemy population will consist largely of people of color, and especially of black men. Throughout the country, police officers are capturing, imprisoning, and killing black males at a ridiculous clip, waging a very literal war on people like Michael Brown."




Change the location and who is doing what to whom...





To paraphrase Chris Rock "Shot with a gun? That must be nice"





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Duderonomy said:staxwax said:The only way forward is a complete denouncement by the palestinians of their current leadership.

Live in a concentration camp, or fight the people who put you there?







No - renounce your destructive and suicidal leadership, give up 'the fight' aka the quest for martyrdom - and try to move forward towards a peaceful democratic co-existence - if need be under Israeli -or some other authority.


Or go on fighting a hell bent holy war aimed at eradicating Israel and all jews etc. etc. - purposefully aiming to sacrifice you and yours, and lose, completely and horribly.





These insinuations of a genocidal agenda or strategy being perpetuated by Israel are ridiculous and nutty. When the allied forces bombed Berlin during WW2, countless civilians and children died. Was that a genocidal act? No - was it terrible and disproportionate? Arguably. But it did contribute towards ending Nazi rule.





Hamas is operating under a mandate from the palestinians / civilians of gaza. Hamas just broke the ceasefire and reignited the whole clusterfuck. They want this to continue.
 
staxwax said:


No - renounce your destructive and suicidal leadership, give up 'the fight' aka the quest for martyrdom - and try to move forward towards a peaceful democratic co-existence - if need be under Israeli -or some other authority.







So full surrender to Israel? That's your recommendation?





You are either an idiot or an asshole or both.
 
Possibly. But a complete non violent submission would without any doubt be the fastest way towards peace stability and prosperity for the civilians and children in gaza right now. And the surest way to a very strong moral position in any future negotiations. Do you think continuing a pointless and unwinnable holy war against a very unforgiving opponent is the better option? Well thats exactly whats happening.
 
staxwax said: Do you think continuing a pointless and unwinnable holy war against a very unforgiving opponent is the better option? Well thats exactly whats happening.




Israel might be killing more people and doing more damage to Palestinian infrastructure, etc.





But IMO Israel is definitely losing the war in the process.
 
 
Here's a good (and fast growing) list of fake dead Palestinian civilians:





http://bit.ly/1rI5ZnS





Some more on Hamas media manipulation:





http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alanjohnson/100283063/hamas-manipulated-and-intimidated-the-media-in-gaza-why-was-that-kept-from-us/





http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/08/12/hamas-lies-about-the-gaza-civilian-death-toll-and-the-media-bought-it





http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2014/08/21/the-media-intifada-bad-math-ugly-truths-about-new-york-times-in-israel-hamas-war/








who cares though, right? time to put our heads in the sand until Israel starts firing again I guess.
 
cool story, bro. omg the government is like, totally lying. call me when you want to post the "water is wet" headline.





in other news:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-steals-gazas-offshore-natural-gas-15-billion-deal-with-jordan/5399736
 
rootlesscosmo said:


who cares though, right? time to put our heads in the sand




Can't. Israel annexed all the sand...





B/w 1000 acre-land grab on the back of the invasion they blamed on Hamas, in the full knowledge that it wasn't Hamas. And have they finished counting how much it will cost to repair the damage inflicted to houses & infrastructure?





Only one side is getting wiped off the map.
 
rape_donkeys said:cool story, bro. omg the government is like, totally lying. call me when you want to post the "water is wet" headline.





in other news:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-steals-gazas-offshore-natural-gas-15-billion-deal-with-jordan/5399736




never have I seen such an uncritical swallowing of an official narrative on the Strut. this place is slipping these days.





shit, I would've even settled for some lizardpeople alternative stuff. at least that would show an effort to seek out alternative viewpoints...
 
Duderonomy said:And have they finished counting how much it will cost to repair the damage inflicted to houses & infrastructure?







not sure.





but you can bet whatever aid money comes their way Hamas will piss away building tunnels into Israeli kindergartens and vacationing in Qatar.





if you care so much maybe you should right them a check; it's for a good cause. trust them.
 
Turns out Martin Indyk, the man who ran John KerryÔÇÖs Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, cashed a $14.8 million check from Qatar this year. That's Hamas' chief backer, a modern-day slave-driving country and among the most corrupt governments on earth.





And you wonder why the "peace plan" Kerry presented looked like such a win for Qatar.





http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/184713/martin-indyk-qatar
 
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