R. Kelly court docs

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Has this been posted/discussed on here? Apologies if it has.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2013/12/read_the_stomac.php

I feel like the artistic value / shitbag personal behavior debate (let's call it the Ike Turner Debate) has been had on here ad nauseum; not really trying to resurrect it.

the reason I post is that I never really took the Kells allegations all *that* serious; I always kind of had this vague notion of Kells pissing on a chick and marrying an underage Aliyah. But beyond that I never (shamefully?) really dug around for the actual details of his exploits (which are pretty foul). It was kind of snicker-worthy, but not exactly cringe-worthy to me. So this stuff is new to me; anyone else? Do the details contained in these documents change anything for you?

Anyway, I post for posterity. Enjoy.
 
I am currently 33 years old and in 5 months I will be turning 34. For awhile I have been ignoring the fact that R.Kelly be on some foul shit, but I can no longer ignore the truth in front of me. I am afraid of what the Black Panties have in store for me, it has it's ups and downs so far but for the most part it bums me out.
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Can you name a single musician who made popular music that many people refuse to listen to because of the musician's misdeeds? I would guess that from a percentage basis, R Kelly and Michael Jackson did not lose out on many sales due to their alleged sexual misconduct, which if true, is pretty awful. I think pedophilia is regarded as bad or worse as murder by many people.





My guess would be that the Dixie Chicks probably suffered much harsher financial consequences as a result of unpopular political views among their fan base.
 
DB_Cooper said:That was horrifying.




i don't have time to read this, can somebody excerpt the worst stuff?
 
Welcome back.





Jose Feliciano claims his career as a pop singer was destroyed when he sang a controversial version of Star Spangled Banner.





Wagner.





Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry both suffered commercial set backs because of their misdeeds.





Eartha Kitt was banned from tv and radio by LBJ for stating her political views to Lady Bird.





I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.
 
crabmongerfunk said:DB_Cooper said:That was horrifying.




i don't have time to read this, can somebody excerpt the worst stuff?










just a lot of (alleged) sex with 15-yr old girls, over many years.





dude used to hang out outside his old high school and pick up freshmen and sophomores, trading on his fame and influence to con them into sex.





the musical director (his "2nd mother") appears to have been a classic enabler/accomplice: denying his proclivities to the end, making up pseudo-religious bullshit to obscure it, turning a blind eye to his trolling for girls in her own damn class, and ultimately blaming the victims by asserting that it "takes two to tango."





that's "two" meaning a grown man and a child I guess.
 
LaserWolf said:Welcome back.





Jose Feliciano claims his career as a pop singer was destroyed when he sang a controversial version of Star Spangled Banner.





Wagner.





Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry both suffered commercial set backs because of their misdeeds.





Eartha Kitt was banned from tv and radio by LBJ for stating her political views to Lady Bird.





I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.




I don't know if we can draw the line at politics, but I also can't think of any athlete or entertainer who has helped himself/herself by being political.





It also seems to me that if you deny the allegations (no matter how much proof is against you), and you are a major star athlete or entertainer, a large portion of your fan base may stick with you. There are plenty of OJ deniers out there and he was a retired star athlete. I think Lance Armstrong had a huge fan base that was willfully blind to the proof of his doping until he admitted it I have no idea if Kobe is guilty of rape, but the thought never crosses my mind when I cheer him on because he denied it (and I am a huge fan).
 
crabmongerfunk said: excerpt the worst stuff?




"The saddest fact I've learned is: Nobody matters less to our society than young black women. Nobody. They have any complaint about the way they are treated: They are "bitches, hos, and gold-diggers," plain and simple. Kelly never misbehaved with a single white girl who sued him or that we know of. Mark Anthony Neal, the African-American scholar, makes this point : one white girl in Winnetka and the story would have been different.





No, it was young black girls and all of them settled. They settled because they felt they could get no justice whatsoever. They didn't have a chance."
 
I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.
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What about the singer from lost prophets or non prophets or whatever they were called. I'd say his career is done?
 
bassie said:crabmongerfunk said: excerpt the worst stuff?




"The saddest fact I've learned is: Nobody matters less to our society than young black women. Nobody. They have any complaint about the way they are treated: They are "bitches, hos, and gold-diggers," plain and simple. Kelly never misbehaved with a single white girl who sued him or that we know of. Mark Anthony Neal, the African-American scholar, makes this point : one white girl in Winnetka and the story would have been different.





No, it was young black girls and all of them settled. They settled because they felt they could get no justice whatsoever. They didn't have a chance."




Hey Bassie,





Yes, that was the absolute saddest part for me too. This type of crap has been swept under the rug in families for generations. Perhaps, one day, such abuses of Black women (and all women, for that matter) will be addressed properly; however, I must admit that I think there would have been far more outrage if the victims' races-ethnicities were non-minority (though socioeconomic status probably played a part as well). I know will take exception with this statement, but I think history supports me on this one.





Peace,





Big Stacks from Kakalak
 
cai said:
I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.
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What about the singer from lost prophets or non prophets or whatever they were called. I'd say his career is done?




i don't even believe in the death penalty as a legal end yet I secretly want this guy to get aced in the clink.
 
some percentage of fans are liking Kelly's music because they know.
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It's basically a catch-22 if you listen and like R.Kelly's music anymore.





I am not going to deny that the dude has made some songs that I like. But there is also that lingering notion that this guy is foul as fuck.
 
vintageinfants said:cai said:
I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.
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What about the singer from lost prophets or non prophets or whatever they were called. I'd say his career is done?




i don't even believe in the death penalty as a legal end yet I secretly want this guy to get aced in the clink.




Curiosity got the best of me on this one and I'm sorry that it did. I just lost my appetite reading about Ian Watkins.
 
Electrode said:vintageinfants said:cai said:
I think you hit it on the head. Talk politics and it may hurt your career.


Beat women, engage in underage sex, not so much.
Click to expand...




What about the singer from lost prophets or non prophets or whatever they were called. I'd say his career is done?




i don't even believe in the death penalty as a legal end yet I secretly want this guy to get aced in the clink.




Curiosity got the best of me on this one and I'm sorry that it did. I just lost my appetite reading about Ian Watkins.




same.
 
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