scientists agree with Al Gore

Lawd, back to Al...


Doesn't one round trip in his private jet = 1 year of SUV usage?

But he is buying CO2 credits... But then, isn't that just sending companies the "If you pollute or waste energy, just buy CO2 credits" message?

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/

"Question - There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix?

Answer - I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis."



Huh???



OH yeah... FUCK BUSH!
 
Now you are starting to sound like a pea brain with all your hatred for Gore. Folks like me are forced to make personal choices to effect climate change because we have no influence on policy. Gore can have influence on policy, which is far more powerful than the few gallons he would save by pilling into a hybrid full of secret service agents.

Why the hate for Gore?
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Isn't the whole idea that, collectively, we can all make a difference?
Sorry, but until very recently, only after being called out by critics - and rightfully so - the man was doing much of his traveling on private jets, which emit more crap in one cross country flight than I would in my little Honda in over a year.
So yes, he SHOULD lead by example. Particularly since he so self-righteously tells the rest of us that we all need to make changes in our lives by no longer doing the very things that he still does.
Hate / schmate. Colossal hypocrisy is more like it.

To which end, I cosigningly agree with Rock's assessment of Gore's 8 year inactivity on the subject.

And for him to say that politics has nothing to do with it is pretty fucking funny.
 
"Fair enough...so in Gore's 8 years as VP what was his biggest policy accomplishment in regards to Global Warming??
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What I'm getting from this thread is that the environment doesn't really matter, nor do scientific ideas about whether global warming is real or not, and its effects, causes, etc. The REAL issue here is whether people like Al Gore or not.
 
Regardless of whether you believe Al Gore or not ask yourself this question....

Does Al Gore himself believe the Global Warming horror stories he's been telling for at least 12 years....

And if he does, why does he take fossil fuel mega-burning Limos to his speaking engagements or why did he get a speeding ticket in 2004 driving his rented gas guzzling Lincoln Town Car???
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Because the secret service wont let him take the subway?

Ask yourself this. If George Bush does not believe in climate change why did he say he did when running for president in 2000? Why did he ask the presidents scientific advisor board to confirm climate change? Why did he ignore their findings? Why did he put together a special panel to study cliamte change? Why did he ignore their findings?

Is it because he cares more about big business than he cares about our country? Finally, you seem like a smart guy, why do you want to suck Bush's dick?
Why is George Bush even mentioned in this thread other than a default position?

How is questioning Gore's integrity sucking Bush's dick???
It is clear that your beef is with Gore, not with climate change which you have admitted is real and that humans contribute to it. Yet you keep coming on here attacking Gore. I've also seen you attack lots of other politicians and individuals who are not in the Bush camp. But I've never heard you critize Bush or Ann Colter. Seems clear to me who's dick you are sucking.

Is this some of that "You're either with us or your against us" mentality??
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No this is some explain your hatred metality. You don't disagree with Gore, you just like to attack him. Why?

Gore is a politician and that alone makes me skepical.
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Yet you never have a skeptical word toward Bush and his cronies? Why?

Armand Hammer was one of his biggest campaign supporters(Occidental Petroleum) when he was still alive.

Gore continued to accept and cash checks from his family's Tobacco Farms years after his own sister died of lung cancer and he became an outspoken opponent to the Cigarette Industry.

Certainly you recognize that Al has a dick and SOMEONE is sucking it.

After all, he's a professional politician.
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All the sudden it is about Armand Hammer and tobacco? Blood money is a stupid concept, but if you want to argue about it start a blood money thread. This is a cliamte change thread, but you have to change it to a "I Hate AL Gore" thread?

If you love Ann Colter and Bush and Co don't be ashamed to say so.

If you hate Al Gore, tell us why.

PS: He rented the Town Car because it gets better milage than the Humvee or Cadillac limo. If he had rented a hybrid you would be bitching he didn't take a solar car.
 
What I'm getting from this thread is that the environment doesn't really matter, nor do scientific ideas about whether global warming is real or not, and its effects, causes, etc. The REAL issue here is whether people like Al Gore or not.
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Two separate issues...the Environment is important, Global Warming has been around since the beginning of time, Nature > Humans.....the Industrial Age helped speed up Global Warming to a certain, unknown degree and while we all enjoy the fruits of these Industries we must take steps to minimize what our anti-environmental contributions will be in the future......and Al Gore is a grandstanding, hypocritical moron that made no changes while he was IN office, and is now asking all of America to make lifestyle changes while he doesn't.
 
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/

"Question - There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix?

Answer - I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis."
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Laserwolf,
If you haven't seen me rip on the Religious Right, Rush Limbaugh's of the world and all professional politicians in general I don't know what the fuck you've been reading of mine. I do try to avoid the obligatory daily Bush Gang Bang and if that makes me a Bush supporter in someone's eyes so be it.

You haven't seen me comment on the likes of Coulter, Garafalo, Franken, Savage, etc. etc. because they are irrational, irrelevant, cartoon characters who resemble automatrons more than humans and who's sole purpose is to agitate.

I don't hate Al Gore the person.....he's got the same crappy life as the rest of us, a son who get's busted for dope, a wife who wants to censor the Music Industry and a couple of hot daughters that must be a handful.....he's probably as nice a guy as you can be after living the life of a professional politician.

But his Traveling Doom & Gloom Sideshow Act annoys the hell out of me....for reasons I've posted both in this and previous threads.


Writing my opinions off as "You Hate Al" is weak sauce.
 
What I'm getting from this thread is that the environment doesn't really matter, nor do scientific ideas about whether global warming is real or not, and its effects, causes, etc. The REAL issue here is whether people like Al Gore or not.
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and Al Gore is a grandstanding, hypocritical moron that made no changes while he was IN office, and is now asking all of America to make lifestyle changes while he doesn't.
Kyoto and Rio, Idiot. Rio was negotiated in part by Gore, Kyoto by the first Bush. He tried to get them implemented when he was in office.

Bush backed out of them once he was in office, even though he said he supported them while running. If you want to hate on a sleazy politician you can't get sleazier than those kinds of lies.

You of course know this but resort to lies to make Gore look bad. Why do you hate Gore?
 
man this thread is a pile of shit.
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I'm pretty sure that anytime a statement as absurd as ..... "I cosigningly agree with Rock's assessment" ...... turns up in a thread it's a good indicator that the thread is a pile of shit.
 
Regardless of whether you believe Al Gore or not ask yourself this question....

Does Al Gore himself believe the Global Warming horror stories he's been telling for at least 12 years....

And if he does, why does he take fossil fuel mega-burning Limos to his speaking engagements or why did he get a speeding ticket in 2004 driving his rented gas guzzling Lincoln Town Car???


Armand Hammer was one of his biggest campaign supporters(Occidental Petroleum) when he was still alive.

Gore continued to accept and cash checks from his family's Tobacco Farms years after his own sister died of lung cancer and he became an outspoken opponent to the Cigarette Industry.
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Let's seperate the messenger from the equation:

Dozens of the planet's top scientists are telling us the earth is the hottest it's been in recorded history and we as humans are a part of the problem. Now why don't we do something about it instead of slinging bullshit like this before our kids, and our kid's kids inherit the mess we've made.
 
"Fair enough...so in Gore's 8 years as VP what was his biggest policy accomplishment in regards to Global Warming??
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As he explained in the movie, even though temperature increases have been steady in the past five decades, its only in the last four years the Arctic, Antarctic, and Greenland have begun to collapse melting at a rate beyond the most doomerist predictions when Gore was VP. Top that just recently scientists learned all the ice ages before took less than ten years to cover Europe and North America under glaciers.

Here's Gore's interview:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3412657607654281729&q=tvshow%3ACharlie_Rose

Rose: If corn ethanol is cost prohibitive what's our solution?

Gore: cellulite ethanol from starch...

Rose: why aren't we using it yet?

Gore: the technology doesn't work yet...

HA HA HA

Gore mentioned peak oil twice! We're officially on our way to global economic crash. I say buy records while we can still listen to them.

doom post of the day,
Tenyu

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Dozens of the planet's top scientists are telling us the earth is the hottest it's been in recorded history and we as humans are a part of the problem. Now why don't we do something about it instead of slinging bullshit like this before our kids, and our kid's kids inherit the mess we've made.
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Because I'm old enough to remember "dozens of the planet's top scientists" telling us that another Ice Age was imminent and the hysteria which was built around that BS was uncannily similar to this whole global warming ordeal, yet no one seems to either remember or wants to talk about that.
(somewhere around here I still have the Time magazine "coming Ice Age" cover story)
And, because, as far as I'm concerned, NO ONE has enough information/data on this yet that convinces me one way or the other. Sorry.
That's not to say that more research shouldn't be done or changes in our lives shouldn't be made.
But if you simply question or try and debate the effects of global warming, forget about it... advocates have a tendency to go crazy on your ass (and I say this with plenty of 1st hand experience).
I've even been called a fascist once because I dared to question what apparently is the unquestionable, or worse, a Bush supporter.
No doubt there exists a sizable contingent in the scientific community who are just electing to keep their mouths shut on the issue for fear of such a reaction.
And unlike myself, who would at the worst, wind up in a bar fight, these guys and gals actually have to worry about their careers. I'd like to hear from them too.
But until the day comes when the effects of global warming are actually debated and not trumpeted as absolute "TRUTH" one way or the other, that probably ain't gonna happen.

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dear nail-biting doomsdayers-

since we are all surely going to die in the forseeable future, feel free to send me all your records. PM me for my address. Thanks!
 
meh

"Most scientists had not seen the movie, which is in limited release, or read the book."
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dude - I understand you're a Bush supporter, but come on - you're not even a little concerned about the environment? Are you one of those people that just follows every point of view the consesus of your particular political party believes?

i think the point was the initial post said "are you really going to argue with a hundred scientists", which is BS because we're really only talking about 19.
 
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