the rolling stones

[The_Hook_Up]

here is a sidetrack hijack...ever tried to argue why Led Zeppelin is a good band to a bunch of garage rock meathead snobs? Mind you I like a little garage rock, but when you get around garage rock snobs who think it is the only original rocknroll ever, it is like yelling a brick wall...I gave up pretty quickly though, it was a waste of time...I am "Vinyl Ritchie" on this board....
http://www.goner-records.com/board/index.php?action=vthread&forum=4&topic=8968

 

[funky16corners]

Beatles rule, Stones rock...that is all...

 

[Birdman9]

here is a sidetrack hijack...ever tried to argue why Led Zeppelin is a good band to a bunch of garage rock meathead snobs? Mind you I like a little garage rock, but when you get around garage rock snobs who think it is the only original rocknroll ever, it is like yelling a brick wall...I gave up pretty quickly though, it was a waste of time...I am "Vinyl Ritchie" on this board....

Any garage rock snob who doesn't fucking WORSHIP Jimmy Page or Ritchie Blackmore is probably just a trend-hopper with no brains or musical knowledge of rock and roll whatsoever. Now , you can argue about what Zep, Stones, Deep Purple, the Who,Rod Stewart, Jeff beck etc BECAME, but all of these cats form one half of the foundation of what any good garage rock is based on(the other half being the American equivalent, Love,Sonics, Little Richard blah blah). But for most garage rock 'fans', the music is completely peripheral to retro fashions, making the scene, etc. We used to refer to these folks as follows:



same folks, lots of rules and too much fucking time on their hands.

 

[pickwick33]

Some Girls - They sounded good in the 80s too.

Some Girls was from 1978.

Prime underrated Stones: the self-titled first album. Sloppy garage-rock at its' finest. (And for the record: I'm a big garage fan, and I also dig Led Zeppelin, but I fail to see what the two have to do with each other, except that Jimmy Page was a Yardbird.)

 

[The_Hook_Up]

Some Girls - They sounded good in the 80s too.

Some Girls was from 1978.

Prime underrated Stones: the self-titled first album. Sloppy garage-rock at its' finest. (And for the record: I'm a big garage fan, and I also dig Led Zeppelin, but I fail to see what the two have to do with each other, except that Jimmy Page was a Yardbird.)
I think it is the fact that since ALL rocknroll is basically stolen from somewhere else, and since there are a thousands of garage bands, but only really maybe a hundred garage tunes with thousands of variations, you would think that garage rcokers would worship the most brilliant riff thief of all time, Jimmy Page and his band.

 

[Birdman9]

Some Girls - They sounded good in the 80s too.

Some Girls was from 1978.

Prime underrated Stones: the self-titled first album. Sloppy garage-rock at its' finest. (And for the record: I'm a big garage fan, and I also dig Led Zeppelin, but I fail to see what the two have to do with each other, except that Jimmy Page was a Yardbird.)
Exactly my point. He was a Yardbird, and a heavily recorded studio musician on many Freakbeat-style singles, as was Blackmore. What evolved into hard rock started as Beat in the UK, and garage rock in the US, basically the same essential music with the same roots. Led Zepplin and Deep Purple and Pink Floyd are all logical extensions of that same music. THAT'S why I tend to disdain garage and freakbeat snobs who poo poo Zep. Most of them are simply in love with the fey, weaksauce shit that has no nads to it anyway, and is as sexless as possible. [/rant]

 

[Agent45]

To Agent45. I reccomend getting a bit of tea, and calming down. I can feel your hot air from here.

I doubt it. I was laughing the entire time.








...and Led Zeppelin is for frat boys.

 

[The_Hook_Up]

...and Led Zeppelin is for frat boys.

...and dirtbag rockers like myself who could care less about frat dudes bumpin' "Goin to California" after they listened to "Redemption Song"...I will never, ever tire of hearing Bonzo's drums, they make my heart happy.





a kinda related yardbird side note, yesterday at the $1 record swap we had yesterday(edit..that last phrase was written like a true Zep fan...heh, the swap was Sunday), I mentioned to someone that there was a "Blow Up" OST somehwere in the mounds of records about 3 minutes before we were shutting it down, it was funny to see someone scramble and dig like a panicky chiuauha...shit made me laugh.

 

[pickwick33]

(And for the record: I'm a big garage fan, and I also dig Led Zeppelin, but I fail to see what the two have to do with each other, except that Jimmy Page was a Yardbird.)

Exactly my point. He was a Yardbird, and a heavily recorded studio musician on many Freakbeat-style singles, as was Blackmore. What evolved into hard rock started as Beat in the UK, and garage rock in the US, basically the same essential music with the same roots. Led Zepplin and Deep Purple and Pink Floyd are all logical extensions of that same music.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I have no prob with Zep or (early) Pink Floyd, but I don't see the garage connecting line. There are a few hard-rock bands who extended garage into the 70's (Brownsville Station, thank you very much), but I wouldn't put the artists you mentioned in that line.

 

[bassie]

Prime underrated Stones: the self-titled first album. Sloppy garage-rock at its' finest.

Beggar's Banquet
Exile
Sticky Fingers
Let it Bleed
the first s/t two
Some Girls
Aftermath

I'm not really into saying which is better, but I've always liked the Stones a little more than the Beatles - more soul, more dirt, better hair.

But I really wish they had stopped with Undercover.

 

[Fatback]

The Undercover 12" is a banger.

 

[Birdman9]

The Undercover 12" is a banger.

This is true...I need that...still had some sleazy life in that track.

 

[Birdman9]

(And for the record: I'm a big garage fan, and I also dig Led Zeppelin, but I fail to see what the two have to do with each other, except that Jimmy Page was a Yardbird.)

Exactly my point. He was a Yardbird, and a heavily recorded studio musician on many Freakbeat-style singles, as was Blackmore. What evolved into hard rock started as Beat in the UK, and garage rock in the US, basically the same essential music with the same roots. Led Zepplin and Deep Purple and Pink Floyd are all logical extensions of that same music.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I have no prob with Zep or (early) Pink Floyd, but I don't see the garage connecting line. There are a few hard-rock bands who extended garage into the 70's (Brownsville Station, thank you very much), but I wouldn't put the artists you mentioned in that line.
I gotcha. I guess it all depends on how you define 'garage rock', as it's such a catch-all for everything from low-rent Beatles/Stones copying to revved-up rockabilly and frat rock, or just critic shorthand for 'spirited-band-who-can't-play-their-instruments'. In my experience, I just see it as having the same common ground as most hard rock in the 70s. Amboy Dukes morphing into Ted Nugent solo...all the same seeds growing in different directions.

 

[bull_ox]

Maaaaan, early Zep and late Yardbirds are the same thing... not only were they doing the SAME DAMN SONGS but Zep was originally called "The New Yardbirds"... very cut and dried: Zep is the logical extension of the Yardbirds...

 

[Fatback]

The Undercover 12" is a banger.

This is true...I need that...still had some sleazy life in that track.
I just heard the 12" version for the first time last month. Man, the drums sound HUGE. Capital City had one for while. I should have got it. Doubles of that are good.

 

[pickwick33]

Maaaaan, early Zep and late Yardbirds are the same thing...

The Yardbirds were a little more concise. They weren't as drawn-out and jammy as Zep.

 

[Cosmo]

Exile is one of the greatest rock albums of all time, possibly THE GREATEST.

Lot of shit talk in this thread, son.

 

[Fatback]

I suspect a lot of opinions on here are based on a few hurried/blunted needle drops.

 

[Birdman9]

Maaaaan, early Zep and late Yardbirds are the same thing...

The Yardbirds were a little more concise. They weren't as drawn-out and jammy as Zep.
Yeah, to say it's the same isn't quite accuarate, but I see what you are saying. Keith Relf was a much more utilitarian singer than Plant, more subdued and concise, Plant had far more emotional dynamic range. I think that's the big evolutionary jump, Zep infused so much more open emotion into their craft than the Yardbirds did, Page just opened up as the sole guitarist, and Bonham cranked the levels up so much from McCarty. McCarty is a great drummer, but Bonham was

 

[Cosmo]

Dude, it's THE FUCKING STONES!