VANGAURD SQUAD MOTHERFUCKER
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yo for me, i gotta be honest here... you gotta fight fire w/ fire, if a muthafucker only understands guns for example, you better have a gun for that discussion, if he uses a picket sign, make your sign bigger etc etc...
it's like the old saying dont bring a knife to a gun fight, im 210% down to use whatever the fuck is at my disposal IF needed...
this 7" opens minds on both side of the coin & is up to them how they hear it & what they choose to do w/ it... the fact these brothers had the balls to put out such a strong message, imo shows how they fight the struggle through music!!! solid job guys...
I can't speak for Bam, but for me, everything...from the site, to the music, to the organizations we are supporting is our way of picking up the gun. Take time to read the articles on the Proletariat Press page, visit the websites for the Freedom Archives and Iha-Hud and you'll start to see and hear our guns.
That seems more like the picket sign than the gun. I think dudes are wondering if you're ready to use violence to get your point across?
How is directly funding organizations that affect positive social change like holding a picket sign? I think the VS is using words and actions to get their point across, rather than just words.
Personally, I think the U.S. is not ripe for armed revolution. (Keep in mind I'm a proponant of both strict gun laws and 2nd amendment rights.) Who would we be rising up against? Our Government? Our elected officials? Corporations? That's a lot to swallow for the minority of citizens who are even aware of the problem, let alone those who wish to do something about it.
Its not guns. I put peaceful protest/actions in a completely different category from killing people to achieve the same outcome. I thought that was the meaning of the statement "put down the picket sign and pick up the gun." Ultimately it comes down to: are you ready to take anothers life and give yours to achieve your goal?
if i believe in the shit im tryin to achieve, str8 up no question about it...
I can't speak for Bam, but for me, everything...from the site, to the music, to the organizations we are supporting is our way of picking up the gun. Take time to read the articles on the Proletariat Press page, visit the websites for the Freedom Archives and Iha-Hud and you'll start to see and hear our guns.
That seems more like the picket sign than the gun. I think dudes are wondering if you're ready to use violence to get your point across?
How is directly funding organizations that affect positive social change like holding a picket sign? I think the VS is using words and actions to get their point across, rather than just words.
Personally, I think the U.S. is not ripe for armed revolution. (Keep in mind I'm a proponant of both strict gun laws and 2nd amendment rights.) Who would we be rising up against? Our Government? Our elected officials? Corporations? That's a lot to swallow for the minority of citizens who are even aware of the problem, let alone those who wish to do something about it.
Its not guns. I put peaceful protest/actions in a completely different category from killing people to achieve the same outcome. I thought that was the meaning of the statement "put down the picket sign and pick up the gun." Ultimately it comes down to: are you ready to take anothers life and give yours to achieve your goal?
Yes, on the surface that is what it means. However, many of us choose not to think in such concrete terms.
And I think the question can only be answered when you're confronted with the ten-thousand things. Right then. When the decision needs to be made.
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. And I'd like to hear more.
I could sit on the internet and say I'm "ready", but I don't know what I'll be confronted with in my apartment. I think I'm more likely get into some shit if I'm holding a picket sign.
And I think the question can only be answered when you're confronted with the ten-thousand things. Right then. When the decision needs to be made.
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. And I'd like to hear more.
I could sit on the internet and say I'm "ready", but I don't know what I'll be confronted with in my apartment. I think I'm more likely get into some shit if I'm holding a picket sign.
so on point, no one can really know what they'll do until they're in that situation, but that only begets more questions. the act of taking someone's life to achieve a political goal might be a spontaneous decision but the preparation and momentum required to end up in a position to be making that decision are far from spontaneous. revolutions don't just happen. how do you know how to prepare?
And I think the question can only be answered when you're confronted with the ten-thousand things. Right then. When the decision needs to be made.
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. And I'd like to hear more.
I could sit on the internet and say I'm "ready", but I don't know what I'll be confronted with in my apartment. I think I'm more likely get into some shit if I'm holding a picket sign.
so on point, no one can really know what they'll do until they're in that situation, but that only begets more questions. the act of taking someone's life to achieve a political goal might be a spontaneous decision but the preparation and momentum required to end up in a position to be making that decision are far from spontaneous. revolutions don't just happen. how do you know how to prepare?
well i think we can all agree that the squads revolution has begun...
nuff spects due...
I can't speak for Bam, but for me, everything...from the site, to the music, to the organizations we are supporting is our way of picking up the gun. Take time to read the articles on the Proletariat Press page, visit the websites for the Freedom Archives and Iha-Hud and you'll start to see and hear our guns.
That seems more like the picket sign than the gun. I think dudes are wondering if you're ready to use violence to get your point across?
How is directly funding organizations that affect positive social change like holding a picket sign? I think the VS is using words and actions to get their point across, rather than just words.
Personally, I think the U.S. is not ripe for armed revolution. (Keep in mind I'm a proponant of both strict gun laws and 2nd amendment rights.) Who would we be rising up against? Our Government? Our elected officials? Corporations? That's a lot to swallow for the minority of citizens who are even aware of the problem, let alone those who wish to do something about it.
Its not guns. I put peaceful protest/actions in a completely different category from killing people to achieve the same outcome. I thought that was the meaning of the statement "put down the picket sign and pick up the gun." Ultimately it comes down to: are you ready to take anothers life and give yours to achieve your goal?
Yes, on the surface that is what it means. However, many of us choose not to think in such concrete terms.
Well I'd probably be less inclined to take it literally if there weren't portrayals of guns and grenades on the cover.
And I think the question can only be answered when you're confronted with the ten-thousand things. Right then. When the decision needs to be made.
I appreciate everyone's thoughts. And I'd like to hear more.
I could sit on the internet and say I'm "ready", but I don't know what I'll be confronted with in my apartment. I think I'm more likely get into some shit if I'm holding a picket sign.
so on point, no one can really know what they'll do until they're in that situation, but that only begets more questions. the act of taking someone's life to achieve a political goal might be a spontaneous decision but the preparation and momentum required to end up in a position to be making that decision are far from spontaneous. revolutions don't just happen. how do you know how to prepare?
well i think we can all agree that the squads revolution has begun...
nuff spects due...
no doubt about that. now that the vangaurd is marching i can get back to bugging bam to get that evolution of styles shit out on wax too.
thats how i tend to keep it...
peoples asking if peoples ready & willing to die for causes, im ready & willing... but if nuff peoples listen to the message behind this ep & what it does to help, alot of minds will open, some may lay down arms for picket signs & some may lie down picket signs for guns, bottom line is your music & your vision made this line of thinking possible & that's what i call a serious accomplishment... again i cant extend how hyped i am on this project & your dedication to helping GREAT causes...
peace to you both for having the courage to let your voice be heard...
drez
but if nuff peoples listen to the message behind this ep & what it does to help, alot of minds will open, some may lay down arms for picket signs & some may lie down picket signs for guns, bottom line is your music & your vision made this line of thinking possible & that's what i call a serious accomplishment... again i cant extend how hyped i am on this project & your dedication to helping GREAT causes...
peace to you both for having the courage to let your voice be heard...
Jump Jump Music hopes to have it in stock by Friday. Fair shipping costs to Canada and the rest of the world. I'm sure Baghat and STH will also ship it overseas for all you all.
now theres gunz on the cover...
Thanks for asking about my mom, all who did. She is doing great. 80 years old, they just ripped her gall bladder out. She is up and about and doing for herself.
I've gotten my copy and I can't tell all you all how much you need this.
On armed struggle.
What is worth fighting for? What is worth dying for?
I should think that my personal and my countrys freedom, democracy and justice are worth fighting, even taking up arms for.
The second amendment to the constitution of the United States Of America:
[color:red] A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Gives each of us the right to form armies and defend our freedom.
There have been a few times in my life that freedom needed defending:
November 2000. Presidential election stolen. Majority rule overturned, vote counting stopped by federal courts. I am ashamed to say I watched these events like they were a sporting event and not the darkest hour of our country.
In the 1970's, as a middle schooler, I joined the revolution against the Nixon administration in general, and the war in Viet Nam specifically. It was a time of decreasing civil and political rights. Goverment spying on citizens,and dirty tricks to win elections, and political arrests were at an all time high.
I did not take up arms, but I participated in 2 events that I am proud of:
On November 3rd 1972 members of the American Indian Movement occupied the Bureau Of Indian Affairs Headquarters in Washington DC. To keep the police from attaking the building White suburban kids including me occupied the lawn around the building. The stand off lasted until the 9th and ended peacfully. I was not camped out for 6 days, I went down when I could skip school and I was home for supper.
On May 3rd 1971 I joined others in an attempt to end the war in Viet Nam by shutting down the goverment. 7,000 people were arrested that day including me. It was the largest mass arrest in the history of the US.
So am I ready today to take up arms? No. I would not make a good soldier. at about the same time these events happened I got in a school yard fight. A kid came up to me and started hitting me. I tried to fight back. For every 2 times he hit me in the face I hit him in the stomach once. Here I was being pummelled by a bullie who hated me for no apparent reason and I couldn't bring myself to hit him hard or in the face. There is no way I could gun. knife or bomb anyone.
I like to think that I did some good back in those days. Sadly, today we expect our goverment to spy on us. We expect politicians to engage in dirty tricks. We expect political arrests. American Indian treaties are still not being honored. We again find ourselves mired in an unjust war, wasting 1,000s of lives.
Still things would be much worse if people like the Vanguard Squad were not willing to stand up and say "we will not take it".
Dan
Jump Jump Music hopes to have it in stock by Friday. Fair shipping costs to Canada and the rest of the world. I'm sure Baghat and STH will also ship it overseas for all you all.
now theres gunz on the cover...
Thanks for asking about my mom, all who did. She is doing great. 80 years old, they just ripped her gall bladder out. She is up and about and doing for herself.
I've gotten my copy and I can't tell all you all how much you need this.
On armed struggle.
What is worth fighting for? What is worth dying for?
I should think that my personal and my countrys freedom, democracy and justice are worth fighting, even taking up arms for.
The second amendment to the constitution of the United States Of America:
[color:red] A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Gives each of us the right to form armies and defend our freedom.
There have been a few times in my life that freedom needed defending:
November 2000. Presidential election stolen. Majority rule overturned, vote counting stopped by federal courts. I am ashamed to say I watched these events like they were a sporting event and not the darkest hour of our country.
In the 1970's, as a middle schooler, I joined the revolution against the Nixon administration in general, and the war in Viet Nam specifically. It was a time of decreasing civil and political rights. Goverment spying on citizens,and dirty tricks to win elections, and political arrests were at an all time high.
I did not take up arms, but I participated in 2 events that I am proud of:
On November 3rd 1972 members of the American Indian Movement occupied the Bureau Of Indian Affairs Headquarters in Washington DC. To keep the police from attaking the building White suburban kids including me occupied the lawn around the building. The stand off lasted until the 9th and ended peacfully. I was not camped out for 6 days, I went down when I could skip school and I was home for supper.
On May 3rd 1971 I joined others in an attempt to end the war in Viet Nam by shutting down the goverment. 7,000 people were arrested that day including me. It was the largest mass arrest in the history of the US.
So am I ready today to take up arms? No. I would not make a good soldier. at about the same time these events happened I got in a school yard fight. A kid came up to me and started hitting me. I tried to fight back. For every 2 times he hit me in the face I hit him in the stomach once. Here I was being pummelled by a bullie who hated me for no apparent reason and I couldn't bring myself to hit him hard or in the face. There is no way I could gun. knife or bomb anyone.
I like to think that I did some good back in those days. Sadly, today we expect our goverment to spy on us. We expect politicians to engage in dirty tricks. We expect political arrests. American Indian treaties are still not being honored. We again find ourselves mired in an unjust war, wasting 1,000s of lives.
Still things would be much worse if people like the Vanguard Squad were not willing to stand up and say "we will not take it".
Dan
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