What it is!: Odub, Rhino, and Dante

[pickwick33]

To have Eddie Bo or even The Meters be a part of the oldies radio circulation... eh, maybe it's better this way. I wouldn't want any of it watered down either.

John, you are a fountain of musical knowledge, and I usually trust your judgement, but if you're gonna stoop so low as to let oldies radio affect how you feel about it...big mistake.

Eddie Bo and the Meters were heard on the radio regularly in 1969 (black radio, at least). Why can't "Hook & Sling" and "Sophisticated Cissy" be part of the canon now? They don't have to be overplayed like the Motown catalog is, just in rotation...

(Although by now I've heard so many bad blues bands slaughter the Meters'"Cissy Strut" that I'd just as soon be careful what I ask for...but wouldn't mind hearing the original on some local oldies outlet.)

 

[pickwick33]

I don't know which Little Sister cut you heard, but since they had two legitimate hit singles ("Somebody's Watching You" and "You're The One"), would they COUNT as "raer"?

Considering the frequency they pop up on eBay, definitely not RAER. An obscurity to the avid fan of "Everyday People", but far from RAER. What is of interest is the wide stereo mix of "Stanga" that is on Funk Drops 2. The original Stone Flower 45 has a narrow stereo mix, almost borderline mono. The mix on the CD is a lot more open. According to Sly folklore, he was given the Stone Flower subsidiary during the making of There's A Riot Going On because Epic was being impatient for new product, while he wanted to record and not be tied down to what was expected. The two Little Sister 45's, along with the records by 6IX and Joe Hicks, was all that came from the label, and no albums were allegedly planned. If that's the case, why the reason for a wider stereo mix? Did any of the Stone Flower material make it onto any Atlantic-related promo albums, similar to those 1970 Winter convention LP's?

Yes.

And it wasn't a promo either, it was an anthology meant for the public.

One or both of the Little Sister hits appears on a 1972 Atlantic various-artists compilation called Heavy Soul. Their picture even appears on the inner gatefold, along with Tyrone Davis, Jackie Moore, Sam & Dave, and other soul stars who recorded for that label. (However, the photos are unidentified, which doesn't matter for the obvious superstars like Aretha, but is hellish if you've always wanted to see what the obscure people on this comp look like.)

If you're as big an Atlantic fan as I am, you've probably seen the cover to this album advertised on an inner sleeve at least...photo of an African-American female staring from inside of a rain-soaked window pane.

 

[pickwick33]

(That's how ahead of his time producer Sly Stone was - that cut is from '71, but sounds like '74. I know it's just a three-year difference, but times seemingly changed quicker back then.)

Much of the Kool & The Gang between 1971-1974 sound more like 1977, they never really recaptured that sound created on their first album, did they?

I disagree. Except for some bland jazz detours here & there, the debut wasn't the only good album they did. I would definitely be the first to recommend Music Is The Message or Good Times. Can't, cain't, CANNOT hate on "funkeeeee junkeeeee!" (And no, John, I don't mean Charlie Daniels!

)

For them to sound like 1977, they'd have to have a gratuitous disco beat and obnoxious thumping bass. Which they actually did in real life, when that year rolled around...

 

[kitchenknight]

To have Eddie Bo or even The Meters be a part of the oldies radio circulation... eh, maybe it's better this way. I wouldn't want any of it watered down either.

John, you are a fountain of musical knowledge, and I usually trust your judgement, but if you're gonna stoop so low as to let oldies radio affect how you feel about it...big mistake.

Eddie Bo and the Meters were heard on the radio regularly in 1969 (black radio, at least). Why can't "Hook & Sling" and "Sophisticated Cissy" be part of the canon now? They don't have to be overplayed like the Motown catalog is, just in rotation...

C'mon, even overplaying doesn't hurt some stuff...when i flip by an oldies station and hear the supremes, smokey, the vandellas, or marvin gaye I turn it UP. and, it hasn't diminished my love for those songs- drop some 'nowhere to run,' or 'uptight,' and watch the dancefloor swell. even after a million listens, those songs just KILL shit.

i imagine a world where all the raer soul joints are classics, and i see a beautiful place.

 

[pickwick33]

i imagine a world where all the raer soul joints are classics, and i see a beautiful place.

can i get a witness? it'd be a better place, for real! just 'cause you saw some trendy Beck lookalike at the local hipster club's soul nite moshing to the Continental Showstoppers, that doesnt kill the impact of a good record.

 

[pickwick33]

Okay, I admit it is not rare but lumberjacks are not familiar with this track so perhaps we can all agree that it is obscure.

not to those of us in CHICAGO listenin to my man Pegue!

ok, ok, ill stop

 

[johmbolaya]

John, you are a fountain of musical knowledge, and I usually trust your judgement, but if you're gonna stoop so low as to let oldies radio affect how you feel about it...big mistake.

Eddie Bo and the Meters were heard on the radio regularly in 1969 (black radio, at least). Why can't "Hook & Sling" and "Sophisticated Cissy" be part of the canon now? They don't have to be overplayed like the Motown catalog is, just in rotation...

I believe we're on the same page here. I don't want Eddie Bo overplayed or anything, just put into rotation. My comment wasn't meant to say "flood the airwaves with The Meters" or music that hasn't been overplayed. I primarily play CD's in my car anyway, but in those times when I do play oldies radio, it's the same old formula, and I was basically saying that once in awhile, they should slip something...

...well, I guess that's wishful thinking, isn't it? There are times when I wish others would hear the kind of music a lot of us listen to, play, sample, chop and slice on a regular basis, and yet a part of the appeal of the music we listen to is the fact that it isn't overplayed.

The funny thing is, the only time I hear any good soul or funk on the radio is when I turn to NPR and O-Dub is doing a review of something.

I guess "wishing for something better" at this rate leads to the D.I.Y. ethic, and if I could (cueing Amy Winehouse) I would.

It's Valentine's Day, I'm bummed, my words are useless now. Forgive me pickwick, for I'm not slim.

 

[masaru]

Both Dante and Georges were thanked for supplying singles from their personal collections (sorry Georges, didn't know you were yoigotbeats)

SOULSTRUT PERSONAE REVEALED!

I just got a notice in the mail from my local library that they are holding a copy of this behind the counter for me to checkout. It's a seven-day thing, I think. But I'm still pretty psyched.

Check with your local library. Save yourself some money.

LIBRARIANS ARE SMART.
JRoot

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell. Just tape it or burn it or do whatever it is you DJ people do with a dildo these days and then put it back.
Er, isn't that still stealing music from the library?
How? You're BORROWING, not BUYING, may as well make the most of it. Most college radio stations have some kind of check-out system anyway, so its' not like you're smuggling records on the sly.
Borrowing from the library is how libraries work. I was asking about the "burn it" mention. It's nothing really to me...it just seemed like an odd thing to say after admonishes people stealing from the library.

 

[faux_rillz]

Both Dante and Georges were thanked for supplying singles from their personal collections (sorry Georges, didn't know you were yoigotbeats)

SOULSTRUT PERSONAE REVEALED!

I just got a notice in the mail from my local library that they are holding a copy of this behind the counter for me to checkout. It's a seven-day thing, I think. But I'm still pretty psyched.

Check with your local library. Save yourself some money.

LIBRARIANS ARE SMART.
JRoot

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell. Just tape it or burn it or do whatever it is you DJ people do with a dildo these days and then put it back.
Er, isn't that still stealing music from the library?
How? You're BORROWING, not BUYING, may as well make the most of it. Most college radio stations have some kind of check-out system anyway, so its' not like you're smuggling records on the sly.
Borrowing from the library is how libraries work. I was asking about the "burn it" mention. It's nothing really to me...it just seemed like an odd thing to say after admonishes people stealing from the library.
Stealing from the library = bad because it deprives other people of the opportunity to borrow the item (or forces the library to incur costs in replacing it).

Burning a copy for personal use = doesn't affect the library or other prospective borrowers.

 

[masaru]

that's a good point. i think my paying-for-music meter is set too high.

 

[johmbolaya]

Yes.

And it wasn't a promo either, it was an anthology meant for the public.

One or both of the Little Sister hits appears on a 1972 Atlantic various-artists compilation called Heavy Soul. Their picture even appears on the inner gatefold, along with Tyrone Davis, Jackie Moore, Sam & Dave, and other soul stars who recorded for that label. (However, the photos are unidentified, which doesn't matter for the obvious superstars like Aretha, but is hellish if you've always wanted to see what the obscure people on this comp look like.)

If you're as big an Atlantic fan as I am, you've probably seen the cover to this album advertised on an inner sleeve at least...photo of an African-American female staring from inside of a rain-soaked window pane.

I've seen the cover many times but never bothered to get it, but in the words of Ralph Tresvant, now I know better. I'll have to be on the lookout.

 

[Terry_Clubbup]

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell.

YOU GETS NO BURRITO, DOG.

 

[Bambouche]

Both Dante and Georges were thanked for supplying singles from their personal collections (sorry Georges, didn't know you were yoigotbeats)

SOULSTRUT PERSONAE REVEALED!

I just got a notice in the mail from my local library that they are holding a copy of this behind the counter for me to checkout. It's a seven-day thing, I think. But I'm still pretty psyched.

Check with your local library. Save yourself some money.

LIBRARIANS ARE SMART.
JRoot

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell. Just tape it or burn it or do whatever it is you DJ people do with a dildo these days and then put it back.
Er, isn't that still stealing music from the library?
How? You're BORROWING, not BUYING, may as well make the most of it. Most college radio stations have some kind of check-out system anyway, so its' not like you're smuggling records on the sly.
Borrowing from the library is how libraries work. I was asking about the "burn it" mention. It's nothing really to me...it just seemed like an odd thing to say after admonishes people stealing from the library.
Stealing from the library = bad because it deprives other people of the opportunity to borrow the item (or forces the library to incur costs in replacing it).

Burning a copy for personal use = doesn't affect the library or other prospective borrowers.




Somewhere in California there is a library with their "Witchcraft" section completely empty, shelves collecting dust. Each of those books, one by one, were taken off the shelf, casually brought into the restroom, stuffed into my pants, and (awkwardly) walked out the back door (no magnetic strip alarm) to my private Satanic Storeroom.

And somewhere, John DeCroy, the wrestler who punched me in the nuts in the school hallway, is suffering from a rather strong eternal "nut-swelling" spell of paralysis I cast on him thanks to the pages of one of those stolen library books. The spell, I believe, included him before forced to watch--while paralyzed--as I slipped it to his girlfriend (a cheerleader named Cindy). I am here to confirm that the Cindy part of the incantation never materialized, but I like to imagine DeCroy's nuts throbbing... wherever he may be.




There's A (special) Place in Hell for Me and My Friends,,
Mr. Long-Term Borrower

 

[johmbolaya]

I disagree. Except for some bland jazz detours here & there, the debut wasn't the only good album they did. I would definitely be the first to recommend Music Is The Message or Good Times. Can't, cain't, CANNOT hate on "funkeeeee junkeeeee!" (And no, John, I don't mean Charlie Daniels!

)

I like the early stuff, and I do like Good Times, Light Of Worlds, and Love And Understanding... well, I like all of the early Kool & The Gang albums. I've been listening to the two live albums from 1971 quite a bit as of late, with one sounding more authentic than the other. Outside of a new comp every three or four years, there's not an in-depth Kool & The Gang box set, is there?

I always liked the drum sound they achieved on the first album, which of course is one of many reasons why so many people have sampled from it over the years. That, and just the music being good.

 

[DrWu]

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell.

YOU GETS NO BURRITO, DOG.
Dood, seriously that is insane. Bow down to the funniest poster on the strut.

 

[faux_rillz]

Both Dante and Georges were thanked for supplying singles from their personal collections (sorry Georges, didn't know you were yoigotbeats)

SOULSTRUT PERSONAE REVEALED!

I just got a notice in the mail from my local library that they are holding a copy of this behind the counter for me to checkout. It's a seven-day thing, I think. But I'm still pretty psyched.

Check with your local library. Save yourself some money.

LIBRARIANS ARE SMART.
JRoot

PS Anyone who steals music from the library, or the radio station, has a special place in hell. Just tape it or burn it or do whatever it is you DJ people do with a dildo these days and then put it back.
Er, isn't that still stealing music from the library?
How? You're BORROWING, not BUYING, may as well make the most of it. Most college radio stations have some kind of check-out system anyway, so its' not like you're smuggling records on the sly.
Borrowing from the library is how libraries work. I was asking about the "burn it" mention. It's nothing really to me...it just seemed like an odd thing to say after admonishes people stealing from the library.
Stealing from the library = bad because it deprives other people of the opportunity to borrow the item (or forces the library to incur costs in replacing it).

Burning a copy for personal use = doesn't affect the library or other prospective borrowers.




Somewhere in California there is a library with their "Witchcraft" section completely empty, shelves collecting dust. Each of those books, one by one, were taken off the shelf, casually brought into the restroom, stuffed into my pants, and (awkwardly) walked out the back door (no magnetic strip alarm) to my private Satanic Storeroom.

And somewhere, John DeCroy, the wrestler who punched me in the nuts in the school hallway, is suffering from a rather strong eternal "nut-swelling" spell of paralysis I cast on him thanks to the pages of one of those stolen library books. The spell, I believe, included him before forced to watch--while paralyzed--as I slipped it to his girlfriend (a cheerleader named Cindy). I am here to confirm that the Cindy part of the incantation never materialized, but I like to imagine DeCroy's nuts throbbing... wherever he may be.




There's A (special) Place in Hell for Me and My Friends,,
Mr. Long-Term Borrower
Yes, but think about how you deprived other aspiring young witches of the wisdom contained therein.