Django Unchained (QTR)

CousinLarry said:


Too true, I re-watched Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs recently. Having not seen PF in about 10 years, it was the performances that really got me this time around. Travolta and Thurman really play off each other and so many things are said between them without any dialog.




Yep.





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I see a QT marathon happening in my near future
 
Apologies in advance but I didn't like Inglorious Basterds. I feel his films have been getting worse in quality since Jackie Brown ( I still greatly enjoyed a lot of Kill Bill but think it would have been even better cropped into one 2/2 and a half hour film).


Maybe it's just my tastes changing but his films seem more pastiche than content these days and to me it felt like Inglorious in particular really didn't gel as an actual movie. There was one great scene in the bar which I thought was fantastic but the rest of it left me cold and disinterested with scenes that seemed composed because he'd heard a song rather than for any actual content.





Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong things in his films but Jackie Brown felt like he was taking the snappy dialogue, great handling of characters, etc from his earlier films and adding depth to them (agree that even outside that film he's definitely inspired by Leonard) but since then he seems to have regressed ever more so you end up with something like Death Proof where the characters sit in the car talking stylised dialogue for what seems like an age without any purpose beyond QT getting off on it.





I loved that stuff back when Pulp Fiction came out and remember coming out of the cinema a fresh faced 17 year old thinking that I had found my new film god but that was 16 years ago and I'd kind of hoped he had more tricks. I feel like the Weinsteins are too happy to leave him to do what he does and a little bit of direction and control would really help at this stage in his career.





Also, Death Proof was really, really, boring.
 
Junior said:Apologies in advance but I didn't like Inglorious Basterds. I feel his films have been getting worse in quality since Jackie Brown ( I still greatly enjoyed a lot of Kill Bill but think it would have been even better cropped into one 2/2 and a half hour film).


Maybe it's just my tastes changing but his films seem more pastiche than content these days and to me it felt like Inglorious in particular really didn't gel as an actual movie. There was one great scene in the bar which I thought was fantastic but the rest of it left me cold and disinterested with scenes that seemed composed because he'd heard a song rather than for any actual content.





Perhaps I'm looking for the wrong things in his films but Jackie Brown felt like he was taking the snappy dialogue, great handling of characters, etc from his earlier films and adding depth to them (agree that even outside that film he's definitely inspired by Leonard) but since then he seems to have regressed ever more so you end up with something like Death Proof where the characters sit in the car talking stylised dialogue for what seems like an age without any purpose beyond QT getting off on it.





I loved that stuff back when Pulp Fiction came out and remember coming out of the cinema a fresh faced 17 year old thinking that I had found my new film god but that was 16 years ago and I'd kind of hoped he had more tricks. I feel like the Weinsteins are too happy to leave him to do what he does and a little bit of direction and control would really help at this stage in his career.





Also, Death Proof was really, really, boring.




I haven't seen Death Proof, but i didn't think Inglorious Basterds was a great film, too. Another genre getting the pastiche treatment by QT. This opinion spawned a lot of debate with friends tho, which i enjoyed. Pulp fiction was pinnacle post-modern tho. That said, i'm really looking forward to his new film.
 
I ride. Although I don't feel an overwhelming need to revisit any one of them for a third time any time soon, RD, JB, PF and KB are very clever. He's "one of us" on the record/movie collecting obscurophile tip. He also helped keep the New Beverly Theater in LA going. And whoever said that his films are like "events" hit it dead center. So yeah, I am a fan.





That said, he has plenty of corny moments. I would much rather hear an interview with Martin Scorsese or Robert Osbourne, for example, talking about their favorite offbeat films than see one with him, rocking back and forth in his chair and going off on tangents about how Elizabeth Allen's bare feet were the subject of his first wet dream or something like that. Also, I hate when other directors feel the need to add "Tarantino-esque" moments (characters watching movies that vaguely parallel the situations at hand, inane dialogue, etc) to their films, although that's not really his fault.
 
i don't like the ending to Inglorious, but the opening scene is amazing.


everything in between ranges from ok to good.
 
grandpa_shig said:i think his greatest and most personal achievement was jackie brown. first off it was an homage to the south bay. detailing the lifestyle and landmarks of the backbone of los angeles. if you look close, it has a very provincial style almost in stark contrast to the rest of his movies. and its no secret that upon release it was widely hated, but i think that had a lot to do with his slight departure from an aesthetic he was known for, and expected to continue. but he didnt.





it was a love story first and foremost. a chick flick for men. sure, there are caper elements, but the intimacy of the love narrative is what is truly remarkable. the 2 main actors are really nothing to look at, i mean in the grander scheme of hollywood actors. past their prime, tired and old, yet dealing with crushes and lust and love for the mature set. a movie about 2 old coots that have made all the mistakes possible in love, and have come out the other end so seasoned that a nary a titty nor a kiss need be shown to imply the passion. it was so subtle in all its devices that i think in hindsight a lot of people have warmed up to it. for example take the device of the delfonics. jackie brown loved the delfonics. in time, the dude went to the record shop and picked up a copy. who among us hasnt been so influenced by a woman (or man) to the point that you have done the same. i know i have. she doesnt need the bad motherfucker wallet cuz she is the wallet. such a delicate touch on tarantinos part.





and the ending. part western part final scene of casablanca. forrester has to let her go because this is her world. the overarching theme is about men who understand this. that for such a macho director, to suggest that the woman is always the boss is the true macho archetype. and so contrary to his audience and their expectations. a straight up masterpiece that takes a lot of genres and flips them. rivaling if not besting the most underhanded of french movies. dude killed it. granted, everything else has been high octane in comparison, but this just illustrates his mastery.




How the fuck did I miss this? Beautiful stuff.





I've always considered Jackie Brown to be his masterpiece, and I agree that many people just didn't get it at the time. Me & my girl have watched it countless times, more than any of his other flicks. and it actually improves with repeat viewing in a way that his more celebrated movies perhaps don't. I read the ending in a different, more conventionally romantic way to you, but I nevertheless think it's a beautifully directed and played scene, probably my favourite cinematic moment of the last twenty years.
 
God, what house put this trailer together? "Django is off the chain!" UGH
 
Checked the trailer and browsed over the leaked script for Django but I can't see this being top 5 material. Eyecandy and styling made Bill rise above the B-Movie made with A budget concept but this looks too OTT.
 
Basterds works fine on a surface level, but to fully appreciate the subtleties it helps to have some deep knowledge of war films and their tropes. The only reviewer I've seen that really picked up on this was Savant. Check this out, he gets it:





http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s3082bast.html
 
Anybody watch Django, yet? I saw it on Christmas Day and I loved it. Foxx is dope, Leo is dope, Waltz steals it again. I read a review that said Waltz is pretty much playing his Basterds character, only set in a different time period. Tarantino did this with Sam Jackson in Pulp Ficiton and Jackie Brown. Certain people say his dialogue a certain way, and when Tarantino finds someone who can do this, he uses to it for all it's worth. it works IMO.





I read he may be comleting his trilogy after Django with a movie called "Killer Crow." It was supposed to be in Basterds when it was originally written as a tv mini-series. It's about African-American soldiers in WW2 doing essentially what the Basterds were doing but against white American g.i.s. I'm waiting for Kill Bill 3, personally.
 
I never understood the extra love for Jackie Brown?





Did you not see Foxy Brown and Coffee before this?





Res Dogs is my shit.


Deathproof is my shit. Dirty Larry Crazy Mary is my shit too.


Planet Terror...good


Pulp Fiction is classic but damn did it get oversaturated on cable.


Sin City is my shit.





I wanna see Django but i fuckin hatt DiCaprio with a passion.


Ive gotta check Mandingo.





Tarantino is a Genius Remixer/Referencer/Recontextualizer.
 
batmon said:





I wanna see Django but i fuckin hatt DiCaprio with a passion.







Really? Did you see The Departed? I changed my mind about him after that.
 
BallzDeep said:batmon said:





I wanna see Django but i fuckin hatt DiCaprio with a passion.







Really? Did you see The Departed? I changed my mind about him after that.




Cosign on Leo. Dude was good in Basketball Diaries, I thought. Can't speak for all his movies, but I don't hate him as an actor.
 
Any truth to the rumour that Michael Kenneth Williams was suppose to play Django, but couldn't because of Boardwalk Empire obligations? I'd like to see that...





In any case. Still haven't seen. But I will.
 
DOR said:Any truth to the rumour that Michael Kenneth Williams was suppose to play Django, but couldn't because of Boardwalk Empire obligations? I'd like to see that...





In any case. Still haven't seen. But I will.




Originally, according to the Quentin Tarantino archives, Micheal K. Willaims, Will Smith, and Jamie Foxx were up for the role. Not sure exactly why MKW couldn't commit, but filming BWE seems reasonable. Smith said it's too violent/vulgar. Foxx jumped on it,obviously.
 
Haven't seen this yet, but is there a lot of rap music in the film?


I want to see this with my dad who loves all western related movies but can't stand rap music haha.
 
JATX said:





Originally, according to the Quentin Tarantino archives, Micheal K. Willaims, Will Smith, and Jamie Foxx were up for the role.




Stringer Bell too, if I'm not mistaken.
 
BallzDeep said:Haven't seen this yet, but is there a lot of rap music in the film?


I want to see this with my dad who loves all western related movies but can't stand rap music haha.




There's a Rick Ross song and one more. Otherwise most are 60s-70s tunes, which are great by the way. He pulled off another memorable soundtrack for one of his movies.