Guy Fieri haterz >

I bet what Wells wrote was factual but the typical person who would eat here wouldn't care one way or another. This isn't some mom and pop operation, this is something that is backed by Heartland Brewery. No way they opened this hoping the critics would love it and build word of mouth.





I think they ran this because the restaurant industry in NYC is hurting right now after Sandy. Being critical of a piece of a big company is much easier and acceptable than picking apart a small restaurant that might be in dire straights after the storm.
 
That review says a lot more about the reviewer than it does about the restaurant. And some of y'all Guy haters sound like you've never watched Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives, which isn't about eating tons of greasy, fried, or disgusting food (maybe you're thinking of Man vs. Food?). Guy is a chef. I find DD&D to be informative; he'll offer some color commentary on what the chefs at local restaurants are doing and why.





Is he annoying? Yeah, he can be. His little catchphrases, like most catchphrases, get old the first time you hear them. But he just seems like the one uncle who dresses like a clown and is embarrassing, but really, is a nice, smart guy.





But I'm not about to try to defend the use of "Donkey Sauce" in any way.
 
hogginthefogg said:





But I'm not about to try to defend the use of "Donkey Sauce" in any way.




^^^Always asks for extra donkey sauce on his tenderberry taco.
 
hogginthefogg said:But I'm not about to try to defend the use of "Donkey Sauce" in any way.




I am actively trying to find a way to work that into everyday usage.
 
HarveyCanal said:hogginthefogg said:





But I'm not about to try to defend the use of "Donkey Sauce" in any way.




^^^Always asks for extra donkey sauce on his tenderberry taco.




I laughed.
 
rootlesscosmo said:JectWon said:As far back as I can recall, I've had a need for a professional critic to tell me what to listen to, what to eat, etc. I'm sure there are people who love them...I guess.





As annoying as I personally find Guy to be at times, I think the article is a pretty dick move.





The fact that this mean shit is coming from someone who seems to have never cooked professionally in his life (according to any bio's I've found on the dude) makes his criticism even meaner and less relevant...Perhaps, when you are writing to advise an audience who also hasn't cooked professionally then his cooking experience (or lack thereof) is an irrelevant point...but I feel if you are going to outright bash the living shit out of a place, it helps to have at least some credibility/experience in the profession.





Just my opinion...keep fighting the good fight, Pete.





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what about music critics who have never made music?




Same feeling, honestly. Even if they have made music....taste is an individual thing, in my opinion. There is no need for the critic to me. It's never something I look for. If criticism comes up in a two way conversation from a friend or in a forum like Soulstrut, I can see value in that.





But, a written one way scathing criticism of something that is totally individual (art, taste, etc.) just seems like a loud mouth talking shit.





All just my opinion, of course.





JectWon said:As far back as I can recall, I've had a need for a professional critic to tell me what to listen to...
 
I usually try to stay away from Diners, Drive-ins and Dives. While some of the places look good, I have actually eaten at 3 of the places he went to and none of them were any good. They were just very typical diners with nothing special. From my own personal experience then I would say that show is shit. He will talk about how good the place is no matter how the food is.
 
JectWon said:





JectWon said:As far back as I can recall, I've had a need for a professional critic to tell me what to listen to...




You might wanna fix your original post. You accidentally a word.
 
day said:JectWon said:





JectWon said:As far back as I can recall, I've had a need for a professional critic to tell me what to listen to...




You might wanna fix your original post. You accidentally a word.




Ahhhh shit....I'm not even gonna fix it. Let it sit there for everyone to see. It's been quoted too many times at this point. Thanks for the heads up, though.





Meant to be "NEVER had a need...".
 
DS_Cooper said:hogginthefogg said:But I'm not about to try to defend the use of "Donkey Sauce" in any way.




I am actively trying to find a way to work that into everyday usage.

N.B.: If you find yourself having difficulty working it in, that may be a sign that you're not using enough.



























































































































































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There were very negative Yelp reviews written by self declared fans of Guy Fiery before the NYT review came out.





People who like to eat good food, those self proclaimed "foodies" (oh god how much I hate that word) watch this show and then wander along Times Square and are like "hey, I know this guy from television, he genuinely cares about good, classic American food, let's go in there instead of any of the tourist traps around here".





Mind you the NYT review isn't about a TGIF or some other franchise, it 's about a singular restaurant owned by a celebrity chef. The author probably did his research and found out that even fans of the guy and his show had bad experiences at the restaurant. So what's illegitimate about going there to find out what's really going on?





All his observations to me speak of a carelessly run business.





He starts off by quoting the menu and unless he's flat out lying, it says shit like ???Guy???s Pat LaFrieda custom blend, all-natural Creekstone Farm Black Angus beef patty, LTOP (lettuce, tomato, onion + pickle), SMC (super-melty-cheese) and a slathering of Donkey Sauce on garlic-buttered brioche,??? Come on... how would you expect this to go down with any food critic or with any halfway sane person? What follows are all observations about how neglectfula nd uninspired the service was and how atrocious the food. Sure, generous sides of vitriol but hey, the author went there repeatedly (I heard 4 times?), probably because he first thought he caught them on an off night and then probably just because he couldn't couldn't believe how bad the place really was. You don't become a food writer for the NYT without knowing a whole lot more about food than most of us will ever know. So don't shoot the messenger. I'm personally convinced that this place is every bit as bad as he makes it sound. Maybe even worse.





I personally had fun reading the review. Not only because I hate this guy. I think he's an obnoxious know-nothing who shouldn't be let near food and instead maybe do a wrestling show. But hey, I probably couldn't stand a whole ton of chefs whose food I ate. Everybody who ever worked in a restaurant kitchen knows that a fairly high percentage of chefs are just disgusting people, some of them might even qualify as sociopaths. Outside of the artificial world of food tv and celebrity chefs, working in a restaurant kitchen is amongst the hardest ways to earn a living. You don't succeed by being a sweet person and just having a whole lot of love for good food. You succeed when you can handle an unimaginable amount of pressure and hard work under some of the most demanding and challenging conditions any really hard job could ever throw at you. Food critics know that. They don't care much about the personality or character of the chef or restaurant owner. They know how hard it is to open and to sustain a restaurant. They know how high the stakes are. Food is a fickle thing. You usually can't repair anything. The numbers in terms of cost productivity are very, very hard. You mess up one main for a table of 4, the restaurant will not make a dime on the entire table. Unless they order two $200 bottles of wine. If you're a millionaire tv celebrity you don't have to care much about these things. Especially with $30 for a main course consisting of generic and cheap ingredients. It makes my blood boil when some yahoo who can't cook shit and who has no respect for good food makes a ton of money with some idiotic tv show and then, like pestilence crawls across the country opening up one shit restaurant after the other just because he can and because he's a fat, greedy fuck-face with a two-tone chin-muff who can't rake in enough dough, fully knowing that the only reason any idiot would ever set foot in one of his useless "restaurants" is because they've seen his mug on tv.











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"Eat shit suckers, millions of flies can't be wrong. Here, have some donkey sauce with that!"
 
FWIW, Steve Cuozzo from the NY Post gave this place a nearly identical review a few months ago.





I think it's the only zero star review he's given:





"The Guy???s American Kitchen waitress studied the half-chewed pork, slaw, salmon, mashed potatoes and maybe moon rocks we???d left on our plates. I wouldn???t feed the mess to a cat ??? the end-product of our struggle to extract edible elements from heaps of sugar and sludge masquerading as normal food.





???Would you like me to wrap that up for you???? she chirped.





I promise: One day soon, I???ll go back to reviewing real restaurants with real chefs. Enough of laugh riots like Ryu, Purple Fig and Mihoko???s 21 Grams!





But until the fall???s legitimate openings actually showup, we???ll do with the West 44th Street punch line from TV kitchen clown/wannabe rocker/ global menace Guy Fieri.





You expect it to be awful, of course???how could things like ???Unyawns cajun chicken ciabatta with donkey sauce??? not be awful? But Fieri must believe his name alone will fill 500 seats, as if Times Square tourists couldn???t also choose Applebee???s, Bubba Gump Shrimp or the very respectable Carmine???s down the block.





Guy???s isn???t bad looking for what it is ??? a colorful, three level sprawl of Americana, guitars, memorabilia and murals framed in warm brick. But one night, with maybe 400 seats free, the hostess showed us to the worst in the house: a tiny ???table??? for two in the deserted front bar.





A protest scored us a perch in the far back ???Studio??? room, where the televised NFL barely took the edge off turd shaped Awesome Pretzel Chicken Tenders, tasting not of chicken, pretzel or any recognizable digestible matter.





Guy???s does factory farm cuisine one better: Everything emerges from mysterious engines, deep in the bowels of the former New York Times loading dock, tooled to make all items taste alike.





I???m a soft touch for junk food turned out with integrity??? but not for stale, ice cold focaccia ($3.95 for ???bread???!), sashimi tacos with scarcely a molecule of tuna, or bone-dry pulled pork on unheated buns.





Sugar by the truckload has the run of the menu. It glazes commercial-grade salmon and hulihuli chicken. It pops up in a dip for mozzarella and pepperoni scrunched inside a leathery panko crust. In ???Thai chili??? form, it bleeds through ???California egg rolls??? filled with chicken, avocado, ginger, peppers??? but tasting of none.





One good dish squeaked through: juicy, braised pork shank which, while tasting not at all of the promised General Tso, peeled easily from the bone.





Pasta ended the rally. Fettuccine came with cajun-spiced blackened chicken breast???random meat fragments neither blackened nor spiced. Creamy Parmesan sauce could moonlight as engine lubricant. The plate must hold 3,000 calories. Could one human eat it all? If so, should he or she be allowed out of the house?





Irish-German chocolate cake was the sort of sickly-sweet affair that pleases when you???re drunk at 2 a.m. It came with stone-hard ???malt balls??? that failed to yield to knife or fork.





I took one of the balls home. A steak knife severed it in two, but my teeth didn???t make a dent. A hammer did the trick. By then I decided to leave further taste testing to Times Square???s bust our gourmands."





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Frank said:








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"Eat shit suckers, millions of flies can't be wrong. Here, have some donkey sauce with that!"










Love this picture!





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Bon Vivant said:Frank said:








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"Eat shit suckers, millions of flies can't be wrong. Here, have some donkey sauce with that!"










Love this picture!





:face_melt:




It's shopped.


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Nothing about this dude's schtick has a place in NYC or L.A..





I've been to about 10-12 places that he's highlighted on his show.





2-3 of them have flat out sucked.





3-4 were average.





4-5 of them were great, with a couple now in my regular rotation.





More than anyone, he champions small Mom/Pop joints and I don't see how that can be bad.
 
Rockadelic said:More than anyone, he champions small Mom/Pop joints and I don't see how that can be bad.




I used to think this about him and that somehow he's bringing a certain type of America into food and cooking that might otherwise not go out of their way to check anything in between the drive through and frozen foods section, but the more I reflect, he's really not providing much of an alternative to the mass produced nutritionally garbage food that Americans consume daily, and certainly don't think he's going to change the general perception that there's nothing concerning at all about our runaway industrial food-system. NOT TO SAY THAT HE HAS TO OR THAT THAT IS HIS AGENDA AT ALL! And I'm not going to argue that a greasy "melty-cheesey" hamburger is not absolutely delicious from time to time. But championing Mom and Pop restaurants does not seem in harmony with opening a 500 seat factory in times square.





Frank said:The numbers in terms of cost productivity are very, very hard. You mess up one main for a table of 4, the restaurant will not make a dime on the entire table. Unless they order two $200 bottles of wine. If you're a millionaire tv celebrity you don't have to care much about these things. Especially with $30 for a main course consisting of generic and cheap ingredients. It makes my blood boil when some yahoo who can't cook shit and who has no respect for good food makes a ton of money with some idiotic tv show and then, like pestilence crawls across the country opening up one shit restaurant after the other just because he can and because he's a fat, greedy fuck-face with a two-tone chin-muff who can't rake in enough dough, fully knowing that the only reason any idiot would ever set foot in one of his useless "restaurants" is because they've seen his mug on tv.




Yes, thank you. I've been on the grind in NYC restaurants for the past 10 years. I'm not going to pretend there's no injustice to what generally goes on and the people that rise to the top are certainly not the best cooks/chefs/people/workers in general. But that's the way it goes with everything. BUT the competitiveness in the NYC restaurant game is ferocious, and as far as the press and public seem to go, anything is fair game and there aren't really any rules determining how criticism gets dealt. This review was extremely harsh no doubt, but I've seen restaurants go under after a glowing 1 or 2 star review. But you have to come with game in NYC if you are going to survive, and I think celebrity chefs and franchises should not be immune. BTW I would love to start seeing reviews of hole in the wall spots as well as corporate chains.
 
Sure, it was low-hanging fruit, but that was pretty great. I think the first question, "Have you eaten there?" pretty much said it all.





And FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK the idea that you don't get to review a shitty restaurant because it's popular. You open up, you better be ready. Leave that thin-skinned shit at the door.
 
If anyone thinks 3D's is just sleazy greaseburgers and fried fried fried they obviously don't watch the show.





Here are three local spots he hyped that are anything but that stereotype and pretty damn good.





http://princelebanesegrill.com/





http://www.jamaicagates.com/





http://www.chefpointcafe.org/About-Us/franson-nwaeze-owner-chef-point.html