israel vs the sewer/refuge camp
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LaserWolf said:There was some debate earlier about who fired first, and whose land is it any way.
This explains it rather well:
[media]//player.vimeo.com/video/50531435[/media]
Bonus, music related.
This explains it rather well:
[media]//player.vimeo.com/video/50531435[/media]
Bonus, music related.
Lewis said:
ÔÇ£Both sidesÔÇØ do not have the deliberate and mass targeting of civilians engrained into their military doctrine.
I don't think this one goes in favor of Hamas.
ÔÇ£Both sidesÔÇØ do not have the deliberate and mass targeting of civilians engrained into their military doctrine.
I don't think this one goes in favor of Hamas.
Bon Vivant said:Lewis said:
ÔÇ£Both sidesÔÇØ do not have the deliberate and mass targeting of civilians engrained into their military doctrine.
I don't think this one goes in favor of Hamas.
about half of them make no sense at all.
ÔÇ£Both sidesÔÇØ do not have the deliberate and mass targeting of civilians engrained into their military doctrine.
I don't think this one goes in favor of Hamas.
about half of them make no sense at all.
I'm not a big believer in the bible....it has some cool stories....but in real life if some righteous little dude was throwing rocks at some powerful giant he would get stomped out and be forgotten....the real lesson there is don't pick a fight you have no chance of winning........life is not fair.
Rockadelic said:I'm not a big believer in the bible....it has some cool stories....but in real life if some righteous little dude was throwing rocks at some powerful giant he would get stomped out and be forgotten....the real lesson there is don't pick a fight you have no chance of winning........life is not fair.
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
LazarusOblong said:Rockadelic said:I'm not a big believer in the bible....it has some cool stories....but in real life if some righteous little dude was throwing rocks at some powerful giant he would get stomped out and be forgotten....the real lesson there is don't pick a fight you have no chance of winning........life is not fair.
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree 100%
And not just that, but your post is decently written, too.
Huh...
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree 100%
And not just that, but your post is decently written, too.
Huh...
parallax said:LazarusOblong said:Rockadelic said:I'm not a big believer in the bible....it has some cool stories....but in real life if some righteous little dude was throwing rocks at some powerful giant he would get stomped out and be forgotten....the real lesson there is don't pick a fight you have no chance of winning........life is not fair.
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree 100%
And not just that, but your post is decently written, too.
Huh...
Cootie transfer accomplished.
Even the hardest of hardline Israeli wingnuts must know that their current policy is doomed in the long run. I just don't know how any of them think they'll get out of it. Maybe they're Rick Perry-level dumb and we just can't believe that idiots like that can ascend in Israel, too.
But the jury is definitely out on that question.
Nelson Mandela was some sort of fucking idiot, I guess. What were the odds that he would succeed?
Your message to people like him seems to be, "Kiss ass and learn to get along, because at least you won't get stomped."
There's got to be a limit - some sort of level of degradation and submission people aren't willing to accept and are willing to die in order to fight back against. Everything I've read about Gaza tells me living there exceeds that limit.
Yes, they'll almost certainly be crushed for years to come. In the long run, though, I don't believe Israel can keep the clampdown going. The choice will be turning into a more grotesque version of Boer-era South Africa or working something out. The latter doesn't happen unless the Palestinians keep resisting in some way.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I agree 100%
And not just that, but your post is decently written, too.
Huh...
Cootie transfer accomplished.
Even the hardest of hardline Israeli wingnuts must know that their current policy is doomed in the long run. I just don't know how any of them think they'll get out of it. Maybe they're Rick Perry-level dumb and we just can't believe that idiots like that can ascend in Israel, too.
But the jury is definitely out on that question.
"Comparing the ANC to Hamas is not a false equivalency"
......someone who sounds a lot like Dick Cheney
But that was a well written defense of a cute little bible story. And of course in the history of mankind a David beating a Goliath has been the rule, not the exception. And life is fair on Gumdrop Island.
My post was not supporting Israel nor a condemnation of Hamas, but just an assertion of an ugly factual history vs. a utopian religious fairy tale where right defeats might.
......someone who sounds a lot like Dick Cheney
But that was a well written defense of a cute little bible story. And of course in the history of mankind a David beating a Goliath has been the rule, not the exception. And life is fair on Gumdrop Island.
My post was not supporting Israel nor a condemnation of Hamas, but just an assertion of an ugly factual history vs. a utopian religious fairy tale where right defeats might.
DocMcCoy said:Worth a read.
Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Flomotion said
ocMcCoy said:Worth a read.
Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Exactly. We like to believe we're all free thinkers immune to things like confirmation bias, but none of us are, not really.
ocMcCoy said:Worth a read.Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Exactly. We like to believe we're all free thinkers immune to things like confirmation bias, but none of us are, not really.
When I was a foreign desk hack it never ceased to amaze me how many different spins could be put on the same bare facts wire service stub, depending on which paper you saw the next day. Same source, radically different interpretations. Or 'house style' as they call it.
DocMcCoy said:Flomotion saidocMcCoy said:Worth a read.
Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Exactly. We like to believe we're all free thinkers immune to things like confirmation bias, but none of us are, not really.
That's why I read soulstrut.
ocMcCoy said:Worth a read.Very interesting, People tend to follow news media that already reflects their standpoint - folks generally want ratification of their own opinions rather than analysis that challenges their perception. That's why Daily Mail readers exist.
Exactly. We like to believe we're all free thinkers immune to things like confirmation bias, but none of us are, not really.
That's why I read soulstrut.
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