MusicaDelAlma said:rootlesscosmo said:MusicaDelAlma said:rootlesscosmo said:
aight I'll bother with this:
Jews and Arabs live together in Israel. It's not just that they don't kill each other, but they actually work and go to school together and intermarry, etc. in lots of cities.
Jews and Arabs live together in the West Bank and Jerusalem also; in some locations it's harmonious, in most locations it's not. It's very unlikely that Jews would be safe in the West Bank or parts of Jerusalem were it not for the presence of the Israeli military.
In fact, in no areas where Israel's neighbors govern do Jews safely live. When Israel was established, Iraq, Labanon, Syria, Egypt and Yemen kicked out all the Jews. When Egypt took over Gaza they kicked out all the Jews. When Jordan took over Jerusalem and the W Bank the kicked out all the Jews.
And the PA aims to kick out all the Jews from the W Bank again. In contrast to Israel, where a large non-Jewish community resides, the Palestinian Authority (to say nothing of Hamas) has made it clear that they want a Jew-free state. (http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Palestinian-envoy-to-US-wants-Jew-free-state)
In fact, it's a totally uncontroversial point: it's generally accepted by all parties (the PA, the US, Israel) that any future Palestinian state will be ethnically cleansed of Jews.
(there's some Israeli outliers who claim to want to live in the W Bank under PA rule rather than evacuate some of Judaism's holiest sites, but I quite frankly doubt they would follow through on this, and anyway such an arrangement has never been part of any negotiations).
so yeah, I stand by my statement to LaserWolf, that Jews and Arabs have proven themselves capable of living together in relative peace in certain areas where Israel governs.
whether they could do so under Palestinian rule looks very unlikely.
With respect, much of the above information is lopsided. The encroaching Israeli settlements of the West Bank are by design meant to have the long-term effect of taking control of as much of the West Bank as possible for Israel. We are witnessing ethnic cleansing in progress there right now, where Palestinians will be forced to the margins of their occupied territory if the current trajectory holds.
LaserWolf asked me if Jews and Palestinians live together.
I said only where Israel governs does this happen. Jews were cleansed from Gaza (by the Egyptians) and the W Bank and much of Jerusalem (by the Jordanians). And the Palestinian position has always been that their future state will be similarly cleansed of Jews. In contrast, around 20% of Israel is Arab-speaking, and they and their Jewish neighbors by-and-large don't kill each other.
these aren't controversial or "lopsided" statements; they're facts.
Red herring ^^^^^^^^. You ignore the facts I stated above, and haven't addressed or even acknowledged the issue of WB settlements at all. Even the USA does not support settlement activity in the WB, let alone the vast majority of UN member nations. In the simplest of terms, it is ethnic cleansing and blatant territorial imperialism.
dude try to follow this:
1. Laserwolf asked me a question
2. I answered it
3. you took my quote and said it was lopsided, raising some whole other shit
4. I tried to clarify my original post
5. you're now mad at me for "ignoring" the whole other shit you brought up that Laserwolf and I weren't talking about.
why should I respond to your "ethnic cleansing" shit when you have it ass backwards?
the Palestinian population both within Israel and in the W Bank and Gaza has been steadily increasing.
the only "ethnic cleansing" going on in recent memory is Jews from Gaza, and eventually Jews from the W Bank when the Palestinians succeed in establishing their long-sought-after Jew-free state, adding to an already impressive list of Jew-free Arab states in the region, all of them bastions of human rights and good times as Palestine will no doubt also be.
Can't wait.
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