It's 2010 + The Beatles are too Raw (Xmas + Record-R)

onetet

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So my sister and her husband are ultra-religious and live In a secluded rural area. They are not quite Tea Partiers, but that reference point gets you in the right ballpark. They have two kids -- my niece, age 5, and my nephew, aged 10.

My nephew has exhibited every sign that he'd be a real music lover -- at the few family functions where popular music has flowed readily, he has freaked the fusk out -- but his parents do everything in their power to control his access to everything except Christian "rock" (or whatever).

Last year I made the mistake of telling my sister ahead of time that I planned to get him the Beatles "red album" as a gift; he knows I got into music through the Beatles and expressed some interest in hearing them. She told me that I needed to wait a year, as he wasn't ready for "songs about girls" yet. Now, in this Waka Flocka age we live in, I'd think even an extreme christian might find songs about hands-holding a refreshing sentiment for kids -- but after some pointles attempts to reason wirh her I bit my tongue, waited, and gave him the album a year later (yesterday).

Now today I hear from my mother -- equally religious and probably a co-conspirator -- that the kid will still not be allowed to hear the Beatles. In freakin 2010.

This is crazy, right? How should I handle this? I made it out of a similar environment, but I grew up near DC/Baltimore with a few hip friends and plenty of access to culture. This kid is in a church school in the middle of nowhere with strictly controlled Internet access, and I rarely see him.
 
Dude Lucy in the sky with diamonds is LSD! Are you crazy? Those guys are a bad influence. Gateway drug to buying white computers.
 
fairytales guide our decision beyond childhood. amazing.
the early 20s backlash once he sees the real world will be something to watch.
their holy book has sex, murder, whores and saints. but the beatles cant be tolerated.

give him a boxed set.
 
There are many options. Plus, you know, he's only 10. There are years of personal exploration to be had, and some of the best knowledge is self-attained. I can attest to this fact. He will not go the rest of his life without hearing the Beatles. So work with the parents for now. There are - honestly - perfectly good Christian options.

1. D.R. Hooker
2. Agape
3. The Staple Singers' "Uncloudy Day"
4. Anything else explicitly Gospel or Xtian, yet still musically important or incredible (hundreds of albums).

The rough route: send him an iPod shuffle pre-loaded with lyrically benign stuff that you could fob off as "Christian," even though it's not. The device is easily hidden, and it would be hard to bitch about the music if it is found. Send him some ungooglable Pop and Psych and play up the metaphorical "she-means-'God'-so-Christians-can-use-it-to-witness-to-nonbelievers" angle.

Otherwise, does he have e-mail and access to an external drive?

P.S. Tell him to read Song Of Solomon. He'll appreciate it on a whole 'nother level in 2 years. Then tell him to read the stories of Rahab or Esther, whereupon he'll have to implore his mother for some embarrassing logistical parameters.
 
Get your sister's permission to give him legit "Christian Rock".





Then send her this....





























P.S........Sis, if you scroll down a little there is a Beatle song......let me know if this one is OK to send?



































 
Additionally, is instrumental music okay? That's a door to thousands of songs. The Meters, Hendrix, Zeppelin, and even the (gasp) Beatles fall into this gray area.

And there are, of course, plenty of ways to open his mind in the coming years that have nothing to do with music. But you should also keep another thing in mind: this child might well grow up to become a Believer. If that's his choice, there's only so much you should ethically interfere with. I'd offer a rational counterweight that's not just as didactic as his parents'. Love is the key.
 
luck said:There are many options. Plus, you know, he's only 10. There are years of personal exploration to be had, and some of the best knowledge is self-attained. I can attest to this fact. He will not go the rest of his life without hearing the Beatles. So work with the parents for now. There are - honestly - perfectly good Christian options.


1. D.R. Hooker


2. Agape


3. The Staple Singers' "Uncloudy Day"


4. Anything else explicitly Gospel or Xtian, yet still musically important or incredible (hundreds of albums).

The New Creation
Out Of Darkness (Hendrix-ian British greatness)
Christ Tree - Trees Community
 
If they are really serious about this don't be the one they can blame for "corrupting" their kid which will eventually happen Beatles or no Beatles at 10 years old.

Beat them at their own game......load him with cool Christian music until they or he comes to their senses.

And if they don't like D.R. Hooker or Fraction, tell them you'll pray for them to let Jesus and his music in to their hearts.

Or you could always give him a Barbie Head.
 
thanks for the replies.

PrimeCuts, I did give him the cd. Everyone paid lip service to it being a fine present in the moment, but today I hear that it's been confiscated after I left. I haven't talked to my sister directly yet (I want to strategize first), so I dunno if he was told he needs to wait another month or year, that it's verboten forever, or what.

I don't want to corrupt him, just give him access to culture and alternatives that let him see more of the world than he's getting in his current highly controlled and limited environment. Certainly, I recognize that him becoming a believer (whether a nuanced one or a mindless follower) is a likely option; I also know deep resentment and rebellion is another, especially if he looks back and feels his parents denied him normalcy, fun, worldliness, etc.

I don't think gospel or cool private-press Xian releases are the answer; one, I wonder if it's wishful thinking that he'd enjoy these at this age and background, and two, his parents are not very adventurous and will likely be suspicious of anything "weird" or "other," even if it's Christian. I also don't want to play by their rules entirely and set a precedent of buying him Christian music the rest of his childhood/adolescence.

Parents, what are some instrumental artists that your kids really respond to? At that age, I was very fixated on vocals, and so far that seems to be the case with my nephew as well.
 
I read an interview with Axl Rose years ago where he discussed growing up in a similar environment and not being allowed to hear 'rock' music. So his friends would play him songs over the phone when they called him. Might be another way to get some music to your nephews ears.....
 
Well, your conversation would probably start with her explanation of her new parameters and why she has moved the goalposts on you. You'll probably, at some point, express your confusion as to why this has occurred, although both of you know what is going on - your nephew is in the process of indoctrination. Let her know that you are merely using a communication tool - music - that falls among your expertise. You might find it helpful to say something akin to "I am a collector of music and only wanted to give your son something that I would have liked to have heard when I was his age. I thought that the Beatles - a universally beloved group raising few parental red flags - would have fit that bill. I want to know how I can share the happiness I get from music with your son without abrogating your household rules."

I'm not a father, so I'm only guessing. Still - put yourself in your sister's shoes; she's trying to raise her child according to Proverbs 22:6, and she thinks that putting her son in a Jesus bubble is the best way to do it.

If your goal is to "let him see more of the world than he's getting in his current highly controlled and limited environment," then Classical music is always a good look. You can even justify it by going into the religious beliefs of many of the composers.

At the age of 7 or 8, I was bouncing up and down on the household trampoline to "Hooked On Classics." A lot of the stuff some of us have mentioned (including myself) is probably too advanced for him right now. A couple of years down the road, like when he's 12 or so, is probably a better time to dip into the collection.

Also, there's nothing "weird" or bad about something like "Uncloudy Day." It's an important piece of music that people on this board should hear, irrespective of their religious beliefs. If they toss something like that, they're not even cloistered Christians at that point, and you'd have (in my opinion) a right to worry about your nephew's development.

Just some thoughts. I know to some small degree what your nephew is going through; my father is an ordained minister and only wanted my siblings and I to listen to music that "glorified God." As a result of my Evangelical upbringing, I barely listened to anything "Secular" until I was in High School.
 
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Personally, I like the instrumental music option. If he's got a feel for pop songs, then an album of instrumental jazz standards - especially those with a decent rhythm section - might be a way to slip in some pop content without being overly obvious about it.

Also, and this has nothing to do with music, but in the long term, just be that cool uncle who's willing to be supportive and let dude crash at your spot when he becomes a teenager and decides (perhaps) that Jesus-bubble-land isn't really where he wants to live for the rest of his life. If he has any inclination to break free, he'll need allies.
 
onetet said:

Parents, what are some instrumental artists that your kids really respond to? At that age, I was very fixated on vocals, and so far that seems to be the case with my nephew as well.

I just loaded James Brown, Thriller, Wave Twisters, The Beatles, Elton John, Jazzy Jeff, Run DMC, Led Zepplin, Daft Punk, John Lennon, EPMD, Yellow Magic Orchestra, The Gap Band, Queen, AC/DC, A Tribe Called Quest, Stevie Wonder, New Edition, Slick Rick, Marvin Gaye and more on my 8yr old son's ipod (most of these by his own request). Surely we're both going to hell.

All kidding aside, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to see people on this shit in 2010. I respect people's beliefs and all, but banning the Beatles most milquetoast album is beyond comprehension to me. Even IF there was "objectionable" content in there, he probably wouldn't even pick it up. My aunt bought me Prince's 1999 when I was 8 and I had no clue what he was singing about, I just liked the music.

Not sure if that helps, but I can't get with the whole holy roller/everything is black and white mentality in general. I'm more concerned with lil man's stifling upbringing than any music he might be exposed to.
 
mannybolone said:Personally, I like the instrumental music option. If he's got a feel for pop songs, then an album of instrumental jazz standards - especially those with a decent rhythm section - might be a way to slip in some pop content without being overly obvious about it.

And this.