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vintageinfants said:Rockadelic said:I pledge to post nothing but music related stuff for the rest of 2013.







id love a repost of that story of the legendary dude you knew back in your NY days who chewed glass among other superhuman feats....???





??????and all other story's of that ilk. i love a well spun yarn.





i feel like this place would operate best if it were an actual bar and everyone took turns bartending. not necessarily the drinking, but the social etiquettes borne of the public house. 'no religion no politics' and miscreants and deviators get shown the door.




Not sure if I've ever posted this here but it's appropriate for this thread all things considered.





THE EDUCATION OF DISCO RICH





I started going to bars when I was 16. Friday and Saturday nights featured Nickel Beer and live bands. We went to Rock Clubs with names like Rumbottoms and Hammerheads to see cover bands that included Rat Race Choir, Stanton Anderson Band and The Bonnie Parker Band. (It was the BP Band that set off some pyrotechnics and burned down Rumbottoms ala Great White, but that is a whole story in itself best told at a later time). So by the time I was 19 I was a veteran of the Long Island bar scene but had no ambition or clue that I would actually wind up working in it.





I had moved out of my folks house in the Winter of '77 and was renting a house with a friend Kevin in Huntington Station. I was working running a printing press and the house was pretty close to my job. Kevin worked in the swimming pool installation business but had landed a job in a Disco during the months where swimming pool work was non-existant during the Fall & Winter months. His life was a party, coming home after the club closed with wayward Disco chicks while I tried to get sleep to make my 8 to 5 schedule work. Even though the drinking age was 18 at that time most of the local Disco spots had a 21 and over policy to try to keep out the younger riff raff with fake ID's. Because of this I had never even been to the club and lived vicariously through Kevin's stories and after hours partying.





Kevin was a ladies man, women just gravitated to him like a moth to light. And he took advantage of this "skill" as any of us young single guys would. This sometimes got him in trouble and one night he came home from the club with his arm in a cast. He said he needed me to do him a favor. The club owner told him he could keep his job as long as he found a replacement for the time he would be out with his injury. He asked me to be that replacement. I reminded him that I wasn't even old enough to get into the club but he assured me all I had to do was show up, ask for Tony, and tell him I was Kevin's replacement. So the following Friday I showed up, introduced myself and got the job. My responsibility would be to walk around the club, pick up any empty glasses and bring them to the bar, and be on the lookout for any trouble which I was to difuse. In exchange I was to get $100, all I could drink and a cut of the tips.





That first night, about an hour in, I walked to the lobby and saw a pretty big dude hitting a woman he had pinned against the wall. I went over, grabbed the dude by the shoulder, spun him around and took a giant fist to the eye. The other bouncers ran over and pounced on the dude while his female victim screamed at them to "Leave him alone". My new boss came over, saw my opening day injury and just shook his head. The other bouncers explained what had happened to Tony and said I had shown some balls even if I was on the short end of the exchange. Tony, out of sympathy I'm sure, said "Do you want to learn how to tend bar" and Disco Rich was born.





The bartenders were all very nice guys and all welcomed me into the fold. There was the older(50?) Irish Kevin who drank more than any human I've ever known and had once owned the club before "selling" it to two guys with vowels at the end of their last name. Once a month the bartenders had to pool tip money to get Irish Kevin out of a DWI. There was "JD" who was famous for mixing drinks while being "serviced" by young lady customers behind the bar. And there were brothers Richie & Norman who were both very serious dudes and damn good bartenders. Norman was the big brother with a big handlebar mustache and he was the one who took me under his wing and taught me the ropes. (More on that later)





The club itself held about 500-600 customers and had live entertainment and a juke box. The house band was "The Super Suds Of Rhythm" who did covers of the Disco hits of the day, Bee Gees, "Brick House", "Boogie Oogie Oogie", etc. The crowd was mostly Italian but did have a diverse crowd of regulars ranging from the ultra rich kids of nearby Muttontown and the working class kids I had grown up with. I learned early on that Italians didn't tip, they OVER tipped as shown in Steve Martin's "My Blue Heaven" flick. It was not unusual to walk out with a few hundred bucks on a great night and to a teen in '77 that was serious money. Upstairs from the club there was a rehearsal room where local bands would practice until the club opened for the night. The fact that I would hang out with these rock bands as much as possible earned me the nickname "Disco Rich" pretty early on.





While I didn't care for the Disco music that dominated most nights, they did have "Oldies Night" once a week which is where I got my first exposure to the music industry and the players within it. We had a regular rotation that included Jay Black & The Americans, Tommy James and by far my favorite, Gary U.S. Bonds (Pre Bruce Springsteen re-discovery). Gary was the most down to earth gentleman I have ever met in the music biz. He would help me clean up at the end of the night and tell me stories about his career that I was very eager to hear. Years after I had moved to Texas my folks went to see Gary perform and my Mom approached him to say that I said "Hello". During the show he dedicated a song to my Mom which I will never forget. In hindsight, Gary may be the guy most responsible for getting me into older music and record collecting. If you read this G, thanks!





The job itself was both hectic and fun. Norman had taken on the chore of teaching me the ropes and taught me how to make the drinks of the day like Toasted Almonds, Alabama Slammers and wildly popular Tequila Sunrise. He also made sure I knew the proper etiquette, how to handle obnoxious drunks and the proper protocol for interacting with customers. he specifically taught me there were 4 things that you NEVER engaged the customers in conversation about. They were Money, Politics, Women and Religion. He explains that the combination of alcohol and any one of those topis would never lead to anything good. On most nights the bar was so busy that we would never have time to discuss anything at all, but I took his advice to heart. Norman was an interesting guy who had been a NYC Fireman and had lots of amazing stories. We usually showed to work at 8:00 to set up the bar and get ready for the crowd that usually began to flow in at around 9:30 - 10:00.....we were open and could serve liquor until 4:00AM so we had some long nights. We also had a crew of waitresses who made the job fun, including Nancy, who became famous many years later on the Howard Stern Show as the infamous Nancy Martling.





On one particular Friday night a gentleman walked in at around 8:30 while Norman and I were standing around just bullshitting. He was dressed in a suit and tie, looked like he had just come from the office and did not look like our usual patron. he looked at me and ordered a double Scotch no rocks. I served it and dude downed it right down and asked for another. I poured him another and he put that one down just as fast and asked for a third. At this point Norman came over and said to suit and tie dude "Hey, you need to slow down, we have a long night ahead of us". Scotch dude just stared ahead and said "Give me another". Norman was a gentle giant of a man and kindly said to him "What's the trouble, people don't usually drink like this unless they have problems". The drinker looked at Norman with a very troubled looking expression on his face and said "This has been the worst week of my life. My wife cleaned out our bank account and left me for our Preacher". I couldn't believe what I had just heard. This dude had hit on 3 of the 4 verboten topics of discussion in one fell swoop. I couldn't help myself. I looked at Norman, then at the drinker and said "I just have one question, is she a Democrat or a Republican?" Norman almost lost it and walked away quickly to hide his laughter and I was there staring this poor guy in the face who was totally baffled by my question. He got up and left. And Disco Rich became "one of the boys" that night.
 
vintageinfants said:i also don't feel the need to participate in the syphillitic tangentia of the politics/religion/whatever threads because i already KNOW im the best at everything, I don't need to see it on a computer screen to make it truer.




Ain't that the truth
 
One of the biggest burdens of being right all the time is pointing out how wrong everybody else is.
 
Wow, I'm genuinely proud of you guys. 4 pages in and no tit-for-tat, petty, bickering boolshit.





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Wow, I'm genuinely proud of you guys. 4 pages in and no tit-for-tat, petty, bickering boolshit.]




yeah, i think a lot of the old-timers here seem to be, more or less, on the same page with this one. something needs to be done to preserve the integrity of this site and community.





So.... VI and Skel for mods? i have complete confidence they will be able to take care of the riff raff on a daily basis, my only fear is that the trolls will wear them down and drive them away as well...
 
Hey,





I cram to understand why it is so hard to remain civil on the 'Strut. Hell, it is a record site after all. Can't people simply be bigger people and leave their baggage at the door? We're all grown folks so let's stop projecting our faults onto others. Just sayin'.





Peace,





Big Stacks from Kakalak
 
stacks:





i appreciate your point of view and i think there is a lot of merit in it, however, i also think that the reality of soulstrut in 2013 is that a loud minority of bad actors have taken center stage who simply refuse to adjust to the temperature here or stay gone once the owner has decided they are no longer welcome. i believe that this morass has driven away many long-time and valuable posters.





i have learned so much here not only about music but myself, met so many great people, copped so many amazing records, hooked others up, etc... a real community. i think i am a better person for having been here but this argumentative, contentious, petty, ugly shit is really making me question the whole thing.





i mean, i work a pretty intense, competitive job where i have to argue and fight for every inch and put up with a lot of attitude, ignorance and rudeness and, in part, i come here to get away from all of that bullshit. this is the only website i post on and when its over that's it for me.





i just want this place to thrive again and i think that the reality is that we need someone who is on here daily to help raj moderate. just my 2 cents.
 
Do it RAJ, VI n self will moderate shit out of the sore thumb assholes up in here





GIMME THAT MOD POWER DAMMIT
 
why haven't you all as a collective decided to close this community and make it a members only private forum? that way you all (Mods or Raj) have control over who joins and who doesn't? you fill out a form with your username and a password and a small Bio about yourself before being approved and if you/mods/raj don't like said Bio...the person doesn't get in, sure it will take a lot of policing and will require everyone to be on the same page, but isn't that what you want anyways? um not sure of the size of the member database, but you might want to go through that as well to weed out the people you don't want here.





some dudes might fill in fake shit on the form, just to make themselves look good so they can get in...but if they are fakin the funk, you can show them the door, I was an admin of a site with 30,000 members and its not like it would be difficult to set up such a system and people who want to see the forums/classifieds/mixes/city guide/reviews/blog/shop will need a username and password, without that you cant access anything and you don't have to worry about people lurking as well, but for those of you who want the "herbs to kick it to the curbs" means you'll have to work as well. it will save threads like these from popping up in the future and then there will be little to no "moder-hating" for anyone to do and you can have your private forum and you can carry on without anyone new coming in and fuckin up your steez. if any of you were part of Demonoid-the file sharing website- all the members there could only join if you had an invite from someone who was already a member (no invite..no access)..it seems like that is what this places needs/wants.. plus it would eliminate spammers/advertisers from bombarding the site as well.. and only the people you want to join.. can join!





better yet, why not have a warn system so you can keep people in check, (3 strikes and your outta here type shit) that is controlled by the mods and Raj, after 6 months the warn level can reset itself, but if you fuck up twice in 6 months it doubles (33%, 66% 99%) once at 99% the member can be tossed out when ever you like.. you may be able to automate that as well and once it hits 99% they are automatically booted out.





you all seem to have known each other for a very long time or have been members here long enough to consider some people really good if not great friends and when new people join a lot of you make it a point to "haze" newbs. with no rules and no knowledge of anyone here, it can be quite intimidating when you join a site and people jump all over you, people you don't know especially. its hard to tell if you're mind- fuckin with people, playing a joke, or being a true salty bunch of bully arseholes...and when people try to defend themselves..it only gets worse (as seen time and time again on this site, by new and old members)





there will be no other way to stop people (that most of you seem to not like) from joining the site unless you screen them all when they try to walk through the front door.





*personally speaking I don't think I have ever felt welcome here, in posts where I contributed, and from the people I have bought records from, and the people whom I have talked to via PM...awww muffin :( (I aint mad atcha, fuck it) I learned a lot from this place though, good and bad and bought some dope fuckin records from a bunch of you...including the t-shirt, ha!





I am sure this post will get my name added to the "throw this dick the hell out of here list" quote it if you like, lol...boot me out at anytime cause I am sure at least one of you would love for that to happen, lets go!





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This place is fine with or without the predictable trolling in the political threads, which are few and far between anyway.
 
I was going to suggest something along the lines of what Cityboy is saying, but I ran into this place via searching google for info on Les McCann's Layers, and I've learned a lot about music I wouldn't have known about otherwise since joining. I'm glad this place is open to strangers, and I don't think the problem is one of random newbies coming in, it's just the same old trolls who keep coming back. Just get some mods to boot out the repeat offenders.
 
skel said:Do it RAJ, VI n self will moderate shit out of the sore thumb assholes up in here





GIMME THAT MOD POWER DAMMIT




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Srs doe, why tf not?
 
J i m s t e r said:skel said:Do it RAJ, VI n self will moderate shit out of the sore thumb assholes up in here





GIMME THAT MOD POWER DAMMIT




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Srs doe, why tf not?




He doesn't have the temperament for it.
 
Bon Vivant said:J i m s t e r said:skel said:Do it RAJ, VI n self will moderate shit out of the sore thumb assholes up in here





GIMME THAT MOD POWER DAMMIT




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Srs doe, why tf not?




He doesn't have the temperament for it.




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SP 1200 said:Maybe more newcomers should talk politics to encourage traffic.




Not a hope. Like someone said those threads start out okay but by the end of the first page descend into complete clusterfucks. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion.





I've been lurking for years but I'll generally only chime in on the topics I feel I'd have some knowledge of i.e. music. Politics is too multifarious and divisive to be worth my time on here. Sure I have my opinions but I wouldn't foist them on anyone...
 
Gibbo said:SP 1200 said:Maybe more newcomers should talk politics to encourage traffic.




Sure I have my opinions but I wouldn't foist them on anyone...




That's the problem. trolls children too immature to shut the fuck up in the quest of out-witting the other. A lot of solutions, some pretty complicated, have been proposed to treat the problem and there has been a lot of turning around and around the subject of banning etc. Take a little distance on the problem





You can't ban them cos they just come back. It even plays into their fetish for incessantly finding a way of pissing you off like a fly you can't swat.





So what's the essence of trolling? IMO it's the unlimited capability to incessantly, relentlessly impose your opinion on others without consequence. In other words their oxygen is that fact that they're not limited.





So take that oxygen away. Instead of banning or moderating, I suggest that the "moderator" has a simple and singular role: fix a post limit per page per troll. The worst trolls could have a limit of 1 post per page or even per 3 pages. The moderator increases or decreases it as they see fit. If they try to side step it with a new alias they just get the limit taken even further down. The frustration of not be able to immediately return fire in petty point-scoring style and the boredom in being forced to reflect properly and thoroughly before publishing will hurt far more than the perverted drama and twisted satisfaction of being "exiled" only to return a day later and start all over again. They'll either grow up in order to get the post limit lifted, or get bored and fly off to inhabit a real shit pile.





I think that someone else has suggested this in a past thread and it appears to me to be the most implementable, simple and potentially effective solution. Worth a try.
 
This question of moderators is almost as old as soul strut itself. As is the complaint about old timers hazing newbs. Adds to the charm...? No...?
 
New bodies who claim to have lurked for years and then clearly demonstrate they haven't....smfh.





And as for not foisting opinions, that's what this and any other forum is all about.


Just make it entertaining, lose the sense that you're an instant expert on everything ever, have a sandwich after two consecutive posts in which you insult soneone, that's all that's required.





Now lets all chill, put on the 2-CD Paul Hardcastle best of I scored yesterday, and groove out to Moon Hopper, King Tut, Fly By Night and them.