New Jack Swing?

[batmon]

I dont know what side of the fence im on. Im a little "confused".

Ive always thought NJS was specifically Teddy Riley's steez.
And yes many cats bit his style and did similar thangs, is the "entire" post 86 era of music "New jack Swing" or most Urban R&B considered New Jack Swing?

I thought there was R&B and there was NJS.

Just because you use Hip Hop samples and and drum machine doesnt make it NJS to me.

I dont really consider Jodeci NJS. Do you?

Blah Blah Blah.

This is coming off of listening to that Amalia - Art Slave who has NJS steez on the album.

 

[Hotsauce84]

DOPE.

 

[Hotsauce84]

Or to put it in Batmon's terms:





DOPE?

 

[The_Non]

Juice soundtrack has some swank NJS tunes.

 

[batmon]

Herm saidOPE.




is that a movie quote? im lost.

 

[cove]

D.O.P.E.

 

[batmon]

The_Non said:Juice soundtrack has some swank NJS tunes.




Aaron Hall - Done Be Afraid......R&B or New Jack Swing?

 

[The_Non]

Yes, and a good tune too.

 

[Hotsauce84]

batmon said:





Aaron Hall - Done Be Afraid......R&B or New Jack Swing?




The_Non said:Yes

 

[The_Non]

Herm said:batmon said:





Aaron Hall - Done Be Afraid......R&B or New Jack Swing?




The_Non said:Yes




The thread is titled NJS ya bastard, that's what i meant!

 

[batmon]

Hank Shocklee and G-Wiz produced Dont Be Afraid in 92.

 

[Hotsauce84]

The_Non said:Herm said:batmon said:





Aaron Hall - Done Be Afraid......R&B or New Jack Swing?




The_Non said:Yes




The thread is titled NJS ya bastard, that's what i meant!




Ha ha! I took that to mean "both," which is what I think it is.

 

[Mek_Jagger]

batmon said:





I thought there was R&B and there was NJS.


Just because you use Hip Hop samples and and drum machine doesnt make it NJS to me.







thats how i see it too.


the way i remember, swingbeat started as a term for bouncier hip hop tunes like 'go see the doctor' and 'the b-fats'. all snappy snares, loud shuffly percussion & jerky synth b-lines. almost like hip hops friendlier little brother.


rileys production on 'the show' maybe pointed to what lay ahead.


so i'd say yes, late 80s RnB & swing are 2 different things. NJS is just a handy catch-all term but you knew that.





EDIT - i guess if i had casually mentioned the later work of Guy, or maybe Keith Sweat or Levert, this post might have at least been acknowledged. no thing.

 

[phongone]

The_Non said:Juice soundtrack has some swank NJS tunes.




That "Is It Good To You" track by Tammy Lucas is undisputably the best female NJS song evar.

 

[batmon]

phongone said:The_Non said:Juice soundtrack has some swank NJS tunes.




That "Is It Good To You" track by Tammy Lucas is undisputably the best female NJS song evar.




Are u factoring in the New Jill Swing groups?

 

[jlee]

.....on my nutz!!!

 

[Downstroke]

London circa 89-93 there were plenty of clubs whose music policy was RAP/SWING/RAGGA. As far as I was concerned, if an R&B tune had some uptempo hip hop drum programming, it was generally considered swing. I don't remember anybody policing the genre's boundries to rule out say Bell Biv Devoe or EnVogue because Teddy Riley wasn't involved.

 

[batmon]

Downstroke said:London circa 89-93 there were plenty of clubs whose music policy was RAP/SWING/RAGGA. As far as I was concerned, if an R&B tune had some uptempo hip hop drum programming, it was generally considered swing. I don't remember anybody policing the genre's boundries to rule out say Bell Biv Devoe or EnVogue because Teddy Riley wasn't involved.




U dont hear the structural differences between Hold On, My Perrogative, and Poison?

 

[Downstroke]

batmon said:U dont hear the structural differences between Hold On, My Perrogative, and Poison?




Yeah, course there's differences, just like Guy's Teddy's Jam and Wrecks n Effect's NJS, although few would argue they're not New Jack Swing tracks. TR being the common thread, but during that period hop hop meets R&B thing was everywhere, and I guess lazy journalism dubbed it all Swingbeat. I don't remember many folks resisting the label (unlike the trip hop dudes a few years later). As far as I remember though, the title New Jack Swing was played out by about 93-94 anyway.

 

[batmon]

Downstroke said:batmon said:U dont hear the structural differences between Hold On, My Perrogative, and Poison?




Yeah, course there's differences, just like Guy's Teddy's Jam and Wrecks n Effect's NJS, although few would argue they're not New Jack Swing tracks. TR being the common thread, but during that period hop hop meets R&B thing was everywhere, and I guess lazy journalism dubbed it all Swingbeat. I don't remember many folks resisting the label (unlike the trip hop dudes a few years later). As far as I remember though, the title New Jack Swing was played out by about 93-94 anyway.




I have NJS on its last legs on Micheal Jackson's Dangerous in '91. By then there were too many variants to even place that stamp on alot of what was out.





R.Kelly &The; Public Anouncement - Vibe (single) in '92 sounded like Aaron Hall/TR/Guy and them but the music wasnt the same as seminal NJS shit.





I just think its suspect to lump all Urban acts w/ a Hip Hop/R&B mix as NJS.


Some stuff had that street edge and some of the shit was just formulaic jive.





Jade - Dont Walk Away doesnt sound like Bobby Brown or Heavy -D shit to me.





Im not trying to confine the sound to JUST Teddy Riley, but shit can be compartmentalized..IMO.