Sample Snitching

[El Prez]

kala said:sweatshop said:Kinda like the guy that goes to the local record shop and tells the owner about popsike and collectors frenzy




yea how dare he stay in business




although I do agree that the o.g artist should be paid.......as far as record stores go dont get into business if you don't know the game....open up a record store and dont know how to price the records

 

[HarveyCanal]

All is fair in love and sampling.

 

[prof_rockwell]

Who owns the publishing rights? Who owns the masters?





If you're sample snitching just so some lawyer in a high rise can get his daughter that new iPhone 6+, fuck that shit.

 

[DB_Cooper]

HarveyCanal said:All is fair in love and sampling.




I would have thought the one Harvey would be 100% anti-snitching. I thought that was a central plank in the Canal platform. WHAT SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ELDERS?

 

[HarveyCanal]

DB_Cooper said:HarveyCanal said:All is fair in love and sampling.




I would have thought the one Harvey would be 100% anti-snitching. I thought that was a central plank in the Canal platform. WHAT SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ELDERS?




I wouldn't snitch myself. But who is to stop anyone else who can recognize the sample? The way I see it, either mask that shit so NOBODY COULD EVER tell where it was sampled from...or expect to be snitched on someday.

 

[RAJ]

I think it's OK if it's in the ilk of Jay Z or Eminem.





There was a memorable case on here where a Strutter pointed out a Stark Reality sample on a Black Eyed Peas record that was not cleared. Though apparently Will.I.Am did it intentionally for Monty Stark to get more money!??





As for your fledgling artists, I think it's pretty wack. Uncleared samples is what keeps the art form alive. If it wasn't for that, we'd have a lot more keyboard beats.

 

[LaserWolf]

To recap my situation.


Original artist owns the masters.


Smithsonian/Folkways most likely owns publishing.


Not a true sample, song from dj set that was released in various formats, CD, Vinyl, DVD...


DJs are on a high profile tour now playing large clubs and theaters.


Original artist has a day job and plays coffeehouses/bars on the weekends.


DJs are lawyered up.


Original artist met a lawyer once.


I know the original artist through friends and his music.


I know the DJs through record digging.


I did not discover the sample, I found it at whosampledthat when I was researching the original artist.


The sample is also noted in wikipedia.


I did not say to the original artist "Hey your song was sampled now you can sue and become rich!"


Conversation was more like, "yeah, did you know that has been sampled?"





If the original chooses to contact the sampling artist some money may change hands, but nobody is going to get rich or go broke.

 

[LaserWolf]

My observation of replies are that they mostly fall in two broad categories.


Those whose affinities are more with the sampler.


Those whose affinities are more with the original artist.

 

[Horseleech]

RAJ said: Though apparently Will.I.Am did it intentionally for Monty Stark to get more money!??










Am I the only one who has a hard time believing this?

 

[The_Non]

Have a hard time all you want, it happened


You should be able to sample anything ever. Sample laws make things less fun. There should be a threshold of money made where sampling credits kick in. If you're sampling and you make no money but make good music, who is hurt? Too many asses are chapped in the music biz.


I hate you Gilbert O'Sullivan.


I hate you Steely Dan.


I hate you MARRS.

 

[RAJ]

Horseleech said:RAJ said: Though apparently Will.I.Am did it intentionally for Monty Stark to get more money!??










Am I the only one who has a hard time believing this?




http://www.soulstrut.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/3728/

 

[Horseleech]

The_Non said:Have a hard time all you want, it happened




Sez who?





Only will.i.am and that's only after he was called on it through legal channels.





I read that thread years ago and it didn't smell right then either.





If he wanted Monty to get paid how come he didn't just tell him upfront?


Why didn't he just give him writing credit?


Or any public recognition?


Why make Monty lawyer up and jump through hoops?





Monty was gracious enough to believe him but I'm not. You all can lap it up, I'll pass.

 

[LaserWolf]

Beyond telling his label, or his legal dept, which records he sampled, I doubt Bill has much to do with sample clearing.





Point is he quickly and publicly, gave Monty credit and payment.

 

[Horseleech]

LaserWolf saidoint is he quickly and publicly, gave Monty credit and payment.




It would have been a lot quicker and more public if he had cleared it upfront.





And how was it public at all? Every mention on the internet I found just referenced the thread here.

 

[LaserWolf]

Horseleech said:LaserWolf saidoint is he quickly and publicly, gave Monty credit and payment.




It would have been a lot quicker and more public if he had cleared it upfront.





And how was it public at all? Every mention on the internet I found just referenced the thread here.




Didn't know that about it only being mentioned here.





As for upfront:


LaserWolf said:Beyond telling his label, or his legal dept, which records he sampled, I doubt Bill has much to do with sample clearing.

 

[parallax]

It does seem suspect. Only "Bill" knows the truth.

 

[Gary]

I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.








B/w








Will.he.didnt?

 

[Guzzo]

Gary said:I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.








B/w








Will.he.didnt?




I'm snitching to Welk

 

[The_Non]

Guzzo said:Gary said:I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.








B/w








Will.he.didnt?




I'm snitching to Welk




Man, his headstone is gonna get such a talking to

 

[vintageinfants]

The_Non said:Guzzo said:Gary said:I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.








B/w








Will.he.didnt?




I'm snitching to Welk




Man, his headstone is gonna get such a talking to




will.he.was