Soul Strut 100: # 17 Placebo - Ball of Eyes

[tabira]

Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:This record is way beyond an average jazz-funk record. Very creative and original compositions using odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, inspired arrangements and an overall polished sound. And the bass. Ah, the bass. I find it hard to think of a fusion record that doesn't have odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, but yeah the bass is very, very sweet, the production spot on, and the melody to Aria is gorgeous . But it never lets rip. I like my fusion when it goes mad at some point. Like at after the 4 minute mark in this 10$ Airto track.










I don't even consider Placebo to be fusion, it's too funky.




Some of the funkiest music on the planet is in the jazz-rock fusion idiom (Headhunters for example). Fusion and funky are hardly mutually exclusive (more the reverse). But whatever, music labeling debates get nowhere...

 

[tabira]

skel said:


ill agree Troupeau Bleu is better. In fact it's better than anything in the list so far. True. It should at least be in the top 10.

 

[Otis_Funkmeyer]

tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:This record is way beyond an average jazz-funk record. Very creative and original compositions using odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, inspired arrangements and an overall polished sound. And the bass. Ah, the bass. I find it hard to think of a fusion record that doesn't have odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, but yeah the bass is very, very sweet, the production spot on, and the melody to Aria is gorgeous . But it never lets rip. I like my fusion when it goes mad at some point. Like at after the 4 minute mark in this 10$ Airto track.










I don't even consider Placebo to be fusion, it's too funky.




Some of the funkiest music on the planet is in the jazz-rock fusion idiom (Headhunters for example). Fusion and funky are hardly mutually exclusive (more the reverse). But whatever, music labeling debates get nowhere...




But they are fun!





Yeah in my mind I really separate funky jazz or jazz-funk (which I consider Headhunters) from jazz-rock (which is a term that no one uses because it's called fusion).

 

[Otis_Funkmeyer]

Double.

 

[tabira]

Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:This record is way beyond an average jazz-funk record. Very creative and original compositions using odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, inspired arrangements and an overall polished sound. And the bass. Ah, the bass. I find it hard to think of a fusion record that doesn't have odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, but yeah the bass is very, very sweet, the production spot on, and the melody to Aria is gorgeous . But it never lets rip. I like my fusion when it goes mad at some point. Like at after the 4 minute mark in this 10$ Airto track.










I don't even consider Placebo to be fusion, it's too funky.




Some of the funkiest music on the planet is in the jazz-rock fusion idiom (Headhunters for example). Fusion and funky are hardly mutually exclusive (more the reverse). But whatever, music labeling debates get nowhere...




But they are fun!





Yeah in my mind I really separate funky jazz or jazz-funk (which I consider Headhunters) from jazz-rock (which is a term that no one uses because it's called fusion).




Which bag, jazz funk or fusion, would you put a track like this in?

 

[Otis_Funkmeyer]

Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:This record is way beyond an average jazz-funk record. Very creative and original compositions using odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, inspired arrangements and an overall polished sound. And the bass. Ah, the bass.

I find it hard to think of a fusion record that doesn't have odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, but yeah the bass is very, very sweet, the production spot on, and the melody to Aria is gorgeous . But it never lets rip. I like my fusion when it goes mad at some point. Like at after the 4 minute mark in this 10$ Airto track.










I don't even consider Placebo to be fusion, it's too funky.




Some of the funkiest music on the planet is in the jazz-rock fusion idiom (Headhunters for example). Fusion and funky are hardly mutually exclusive (more the reverse). But whatever, music labeling debates get nowhere...




But they are fun!





Yeah in my mind I really separate funky jazz or jazz-funk (which I consider Headhunters) from jazz-rock (which is a term that no one uses because it's called fusion).




Which bag, jazz funk or fusion, would you put a track like this in?










The beat and the lack of rock guitar say jazz-funk, but the loose structure and endless noodling say fusion - it's a hybrid!

 

[tabira]

Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:tabira said:Otis_Funkmeyer said:This record is way beyond an average jazz-funk record. Very creative and original compositions using odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, inspired arrangements and an overall polished sound. And the bass. Ah, the bass.

I find it hard to think of a fusion record that doesn't have odd time signatures and interlocking rhythms, but yeah the bass is very, very sweet, the production spot on, and the melody to Aria is gorgeous . But it never lets rip. I like my fusion when it goes mad at some point. Like at after the 4 minute mark in this 10$ Airto track.










I don't even consider Placebo to be fusion, it's too funky.




Some of the funkiest music on the planet is in the jazz-rock fusion idiom (Headhunters for example). Fusion and funky are hardly mutually exclusive (more the reverse). But whatever, music labeling debates get nowhere...




But they are fun!





Yeah in my mind I really separate funky jazz or jazz-funk (which I consider Headhunters) from jazz-rock (which is a term that no one uses because it's called fusion).




Which bag, jazz funk or fusion, would you put a track like this in?










The beat and the lack of rock guitar say jazz-funk, but the loose structure and endless noodling say fusion - it's a hybrid!




well played (I was hoping to catch you!) :coolgrin:

 

[damms]

RAJ said:







^^start listening at 4:30





then...

 

[tripledouble]

some tracks shouldnt be remixed

 

[Dante]

meh.

 

[kala]

i always liked humpty dumpty and give props to mr danny dusty fingers for exposing this joint early in the game.


that said it always seemed like a case of rarity boosting the price mad high.


I can think of a lot of things i'd rather spend 800 dollars on instead of this joint.


[airfare, a roland sh 101 ,and eventide effects processor etc]


I am happy with the vinyl rip someone posted in the mass mp3 blowout of 05 here on teh strut.

 

[inVrs]

cant believe some of the hate for this record.. its definatly not tepid euro funk. Sure its not worth 800$, but i can totally see myself spending a premium on any of the 3 albums. That said, I do prefer "1973" to this album and was really happy to find one recently.


A good friend of mine rediscovered this group in the early 90s and had stacks of placebos sitting around.. those where the times. A lot of people in Belgium know Placebo or at least Marc Moulin so i cant believe their records are that scarce. Its not like a 200 run private pressing or something like that. i believe this is a case where musical value definatly has a lot to do with it, not just rarity. Has anyone a wild guess on pressing numbers?

 

[Strings]

inVrs said:cant believe some of the hate for this record.. its definatly not tepid euro funk. Sure its not worth 800$, but i can totally see myself spending a premium on any of the 3 albums. That said, I do prefer "1973" to this album and was really happy to find one recently.


A good friend of mine rediscovered this group in the early 90s and had stacks of placebos sitting around.. those where the times. A lot of people in Belgium know Placebo or at least Marc Moulin so i cant believe their records are that scarce. Its not like a 200 run private pressing or something like that. i believe this is a case where musical value definatly has a lot to do with it, not just rarity. Has anyone a wild guess on pressing numbers?




Agreed. Junipher Greene - Friendship, which is a Norwegian grail and commands the same prices as the Placebo albums, sold 8000 copies when it was released. I think those records are rare relative to how many people who wants them. I feel the demand says something about the hype, but also the musical qualites of the record. It cant be just hype that makes so many people willing to pay that much for a record.





I`ve read that Ball of Eyes were printed in a run of 2000 or 4000. Don`t remember where I read it.

 

[HarveyCanal]

I'll just pretend that UGK-Ridin Dirty actually fills this position on the chart.

 

[SPlDEY]

LOL, You Soulstrut nerds crack me up!!





Placebo is one of the baddest jazz funk outfits of all time. You can keep all those damn Library records and shove em up yer arse.

BALL OF EYES is brilliant, but 1973 gets the nod from me.










- spidey

 

[HarveyCanal]

SPlDEY said:















I gotta say, that is amazing! Never heard that before.

 

[toby.d]

Word. Balek is my favourite Placebo cut although I haven't heard the third album.

 

[tabira]

 

[TDLT02]

'73' all the way for me.





Followed by' Placebo' on Harvest, but naturally 'Ball Of Eyes' has the best LP jacket.


I lived in Holland in the 90's so was luck enough to pick up all the Placebo albums, along with Marc Moulin's 'Sam Suffy' on original pressings.





Great records...