The sad thruth: Music just isn't what it used to be anymore
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You gotta put a little more on the table than that. Music ain't what it used to be anymore BECAUSE...???
On every level that matters--its importance to people, how well it does its job, its overall quality (that is, percentage of good shit to percentage of bullshit), etc.--music is exactly what it used to be. The human culture that it flows from and into, however, has changed to an almost unimaginable extent.
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
james said:On every level that matters--its importance to people, how well it does its job, its overall quality (that is, percentage of good shit to percentage of bullshit), etc.--music is exactly what it used to be. The human culture that it flows from and into, however, has changed to an almost unimaginable extent.
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
Well said
People who are serious about their music tend to use their musical taste to represent what they want to project as their personality. Whether it's the Garage dude that won't listen to anything past July of '67 or the dreadlocked dude who thinks it all begins and ends with Marley. From my viewpoint only listening to music of one genre/time period makes that projected personality look pretty shallow.
My heart may be old but I try to keep my ears new...and it's not an easy thing to do.
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
Well said
People who are serious about their music tend to use their musical taste to represent what they want to project as their personality. Whether it's the Garage dude that won't listen to anything past July of '67 or the dreadlocked dude who thinks it all begins and ends with Marley. From my viewpoint only listening to music of one genre/time period makes that projected personality look pretty shallow.
My heart may be old but I try to keep my ears new...and it's not an easy thing to do.
Come on already, after that pathetic electronic music thread I wanted to make an ironic comment by stating the most crude generalization about music my mind was able to conceive. Surprises me that I'm still surprised people start a serious debate even about that bullshit sentence. I should have known.
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
disco_che said:Come on already, after that pathetic electronic music thread I wanted to make an ironic comment by stating the most crude generalization about music my mind was able to conceive. Surprises me that I'm still surprised people start a serious debate even about that bullshit sentence. I should have known.
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
Whether you meant it seriously or you were just throwing it out there, why do it if you're going to get upset when people respond?
Truth is a lot of people do feel that way.....and have every decade that I've listened to music..... and unfortunately for me, that would be six.
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
Whether you meant it seriously or you were just throwing it out there, why do it if you're going to get upset when people respond?
Truth is a lot of people do feel that way.....and have every decade that I've listened to music..... and unfortunately for me, that would be six.
Rockadelic said:james said:On every level that matters--its importance to people, how well it does its job, its overall quality (that is, percentage of good shit to percentage of bullshit), etc.--music is exactly what it used to be. The human culture that it flows from and into, however, has changed to an almost unimaginable extent.
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
Well said
People who are serious about their music tend to use their musical taste to represent what they want to project as their personality. Whether it's the Garage dude that won't listen to anything past July of '67 or the dreadlocked dude who thinks it all begins and ends with Marley. From my viewpoint only listening to music of one genre/time period makes that projected personality look pretty shallow.
My heart may be old but I try to keep my ears new...and it's not an easy thing to do.
I don't even segment my tastes by time. It's all about whether it sounds good and appeals to me. If it's trendy right now, it's not my concern.
Back in my record-store days, the hip-hop/dance music fans used to get on my case for liking so much old music. My response is: there's too much good shit to choose from, then and now. I can't just limit myself to "tomorrow's sound today."
(BTW, I have found that hip-hop/dance music fans get really preachy about keeping up with the trends. Without fail. I don't see fans of other kinds of music acting all uppity about being current. Even the most shallow indie-rock fan you know probably has a few CDs made before their birthday.)
When people horn about how much music has changed and how far it's fallen, they're usually--whether they realize it or not--nostalgic for some past version of themselves or some past version of the world. It's been my experience that the more content a person is with their current self and current circumstances, the less likely they are to have a problem with current music.
Music was better back when your heart was newer.
Well said
People who are serious about their music tend to use their musical taste to represent what they want to project as their personality. Whether it's the Garage dude that won't listen to anything past July of '67 or the dreadlocked dude who thinks it all begins and ends with Marley. From my viewpoint only listening to music of one genre/time period makes that projected personality look pretty shallow.
My heart may be old but I try to keep my ears new...and it's not an easy thing to do.
I don't even segment my tastes by time. It's all about whether it sounds good and appeals to me. If it's trendy right now, it's not my concern.
Back in my record-store days, the hip-hop/dance music fans used to get on my case for liking so much old music. My response is: there's too much good shit to choose from, then and now. I can't just limit myself to "tomorrow's sound today."
(BTW, I have found that hip-hop/dance music fans get really preachy about keeping up with the trends. Without fail. I don't see fans of other kinds of music acting all uppity about being current. Even the most shallow indie-rock fan you know probably has a few CDs made before their birthday.)
Rockadelic said:disco_che said:Come on already, after that pathetic electronic music thread I wanted to make an ironic comment by stating the most crude generalization about music my mind was able to conceive. Surprises me that I'm still surprised people start a serious debate even about that bullshit sentence. I should have known.
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
Whether you meant it seriously or you were just throwing it out there, why do it if you're going to get upset when people respond?
Truth is a lot of people do feel that way.....and have every decade that I've listened to music..... and unfortunately for me, that would be six.
I'm not really upset, only my mind is boggled. I just can't believe how someone can throw out something unreflected and arbitrary like "Electronic music bores me to death" which deserves nothing but the chirp and then there's serious discussion about the merits of electronic music. Everybody should be beyond that. So I just typed in something even more unreflected and crude.
I know a lot of people feel that way, but they are mostly in youtube comments and not in here.
BTW, soft ice used to be way softer before 1995.
How stupid has it got be for people finally ignoring it?
Whether you meant it seriously or you were just throwing it out there, why do it if you're going to get upset when people respond?
Truth is a lot of people do feel that way.....and have every decade that I've listened to music..... and unfortunately for me, that would be six.
I'm not really upset, only my mind is boggled. I just can't believe how someone can throw out something unreflected and arbitrary like "Electronic music bores me to death" which deserves nothing but the chirp and then there's serious discussion about the merits of electronic music. Everybody should be beyond that. So I just typed in something even more unreflected and crude.
I know a lot of people feel that way, but they are mostly in youtube comments and not in here.
BTW, soft ice used to be way softer before 1995.
pickwick33 said
BTW, I have found that hip-hop/dance music fans get really preachy about keeping up with the trends. Without fail. I don't see fans of other kinds of music acting all uppity about being current. Even the most shallow indie-rock fan you know probably has a few CDs made before their birthday.)
Yeah, I'd agree with this. Generally, dance music has always been about the new thing, whether that happens to be the dance crazes of yore or whatever new collection of noises people want to hear over a 4/4 kick when they've got a headful of drugs of a Saturday night. Likewise the way the average hip-hop fan has alway pursued that next shit with at least as much enthusiasm as for what's happening now. Conversely with hip-hop, there's a widespread disregard amongst the music's core constituency for the people who built it, which is something you don't really see amongst fans of other genres. I mean, picture Jack White proudly declaring that he didn't give a fuck about the blues.
BTW, I have found that hip-hop/dance music fans get really preachy about keeping up with the trends. Without fail. I don't see fans of other kinds of music acting all uppity about being current. Even the most shallow indie-rock fan you know probably has a few CDs made before their birthday.)Yeah, I'd agree with this. Generally, dance music has always been about the new thing, whether that happens to be the dance crazes of yore or whatever new collection of noises people want to hear over a 4/4 kick when they've got a headful of drugs of a Saturday night. Likewise the way the average hip-hop fan has alway pursued that next shit with at least as much enthusiasm as for what's happening now. Conversely with hip-hop, there's a widespread disregard amongst the music's core constituency for the people who built it, which is something you don't really see amongst fans of other genres. I mean, picture Jack White proudly declaring that he didn't give a fuck about the blues.
DB_Cooper said:Given the fact that I hear this James Brown knockoff in every other commercial/tv show/movie these days, it looks like music is almost exactly what it used to be. Not mad at the song though.
Yeah, the whole "new music that works incredibly hard at trying to sound old" thing has definitely been one of pop music's consistent growth areas over the last decade or so.
Yeah, the whole "new music that works incredibly hard at trying to sound old" thing has definitely been one of pop music's consistent growth areas over the last decade or so.
disco_che said:I'm not really upset, only my mind is boggled. I just can't believe how someone can throw out something unreflected and arbitrary like "Electronic music bores me to death" which deserves nothing but the chirp and then there's serious discussion about the merits of electronic music. Everybody should be beyond that. So I just typed in something even more unreflected and crude.
I know a lot of people feel that way, but they are mostly in youtube comments and not in here.
BTW, soft ice used to be way softer before 1995.
I think the real value in a thread like the Electronic one is for those who disagree to make their case by posting examples that might sway the original posters opinion......and if they don't it's simply a case of the poster not having their ear tuned to that particular sound...no amount of insults/argument/asshurtness is going to change his ear.
If you tell me Psych or Rockabilly bores the hell out of you I'll play you what I think are the best examples of each and if you still think it sucks...so be it.....we can't all have the same tastes.
I know a lot of people feel that way, but they are mostly in youtube comments and not in here.
BTW, soft ice used to be way softer before 1995.
I think the real value in a thread like the Electronic one is for those who disagree to make their case by posting examples that might sway the original posters opinion......and if they don't it's simply a case of the poster not having their ear tuned to that particular sound...no amount of insults/argument/asshurtness is going to change his ear.
If you tell me Psych or Rockabilly bores the hell out of you I'll play you what I think are the best examples of each and if you still think it sucks...so be it.....we can't all have the same tastes.
DocMcCoy said:. Conversely with hip-hop, there's a widespread disregard amongst the music's core constituency for the people who built it, which is something you don't really see amongst fans of other genres. I mean, picture Jack White proudly declaring that he didn't give a fuck about the blues.
Interesting point......do you attribute this to the jealousy of not having any "ownership" of the OG and wanting to have an independent sound that they can call their own or a purposeful disconnect on a "you're old" tip?
Interesting point......do you attribute this to the jealousy of not having any "ownership" of the OG and wanting to have an independent sound that they can call their own or a purposeful disconnect on a "you're old" tip?
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