Thicke, Pharrell, TI - Blurred Lines
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Jonny_Paycheck said:[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/1ojLucG2Z78[/media]
So MMG is now "The Untouchable Maybach Empire." Hmmm...remind me how long Death Row lasted after it was rechristened "The New and Untouchable Death Row"? Even Rick Ross's failures are fucking bites.
So MMG is now "The Untouchable Maybach Empire." Hmmm...remind me how long Death Row lasted after it was rechristened "The New and Untouchable Death Row"? Even Rick Ross's failures are fucking bites.
DocMcCoy said:Mani of the Stone Roses once announced during a radio broadcast that their Fool's Gold was inspired by Young MC's Know How, which was one in the eye for all those indie-kids who insisted the source material was Can's I'm So Green rather than a somewhat prosaic rap record that was played at the Hacienda every Friday night for about two years. As far as I'm aware, neither Young MC nor the notoriously litigious Delicious Vinyl have taken legal action over it to date. Point being, you can say whatever you like about what inspired the song, but if it doesn't meet the established criteria for judging whether or not it infringes someone else's copyright, you are legally home free..
thank you Doc for this little knowledge gem.
While Stone Roses S/T is a mainstay in my collection, it's easily been 15+ years since I last checked out "Know How" by Young MC (I think that album actually was my first 'hip-hop' record I ever bought for myself). Needless to say your post peaked my curiosity, and without a doubt, you can hear the similarities. Funny enough, the YouTube comments seem to have several references to the Manchester scene.
thank you Doc for this little knowledge gem.
While Stone Roses S/T is a mainstay in my collection, it's easily been 15+ years since I last checked out "Know How" by Young MC (I think that album actually was my first 'hip-hop' record I ever bought for myself). Needless to say your post peaked my curiosity, and without a doubt, you can hear the similarities. Funny enough, the YouTube comments seem to have several references to the Manchester scene.
This thread prompted me to check out the song. I'd never heard of the guy before. I guess it does sound a bit like Got To Give It Up but I wouldn't think it was close enough to sue. If I had any issue with Blurred Lines is that the production sounds really cheap. Like it was banged out on a crappy Casio keyboard using one of the preset drum patterns in about ten minutes.
to add a whole other meta-layer to this case, supposedly Gaye based the "groove" for "GTGIU" on a Mbuti pygmy stick rhythm he heard on the "music of the rainforest pygmies" LP on lyrichord. mentioned here:
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
ppadilha said:
Winona in the bottom left corner for the extra point.
I think Miley's gone a bit mental, personally. Obviously, Southern white girls appropriating black popular culture isn't anything new, and much as you'd expect "reasonably attractive young woman cavorting around in skimpy outfit" to be a match-winner under normal circumstances, the fact is she's trying way too hard.
Also I don't wanna get all "elbows" here, but she really isn't built for that kind of game. And if it's the "Wayward Disney/Nickelodeon Princess Slutting It Up For Teh Lulz" sweepstakes she's going for, well, I've seen Spring Breakers and homegirl ain't even at the races.
Winona in the bottom left corner for the extra point.
I think Miley's gone a bit mental, personally. Obviously, Southern white girls appropriating black popular culture isn't anything new, and much as you'd expect "reasonably attractive young woman cavorting around in skimpy outfit" to be a match-winner under normal circumstances, the fact is she's trying way too hard.
Also I don't wanna get all "elbows" here, but she really isn't built for that kind of game. And if it's the "Wayward Disney/Nickelodeon Princess Slutting It Up For Teh Lulz" sweepstakes she's going for, well, I've seen Spring Breakers and homegirl ain't even at the races.
asstro said:http://pitchfork.com/news/52013-marvin-gayes-family-allegedly-declined-robin-thickes-six-figure-settlement-offer-in-blurred-lines-dispute/
The cost of litigating is at least 6 figures so I don't begrudge the Gaye family for turning down a 6 figure settlement (I'm sure it was very low 6 figures) based solely on Thicke's interview and the obvious similarities in the songs. I also disagree with anyone who argues that there is an exact science to determining whether there is a copyright infringement. It's not that way at all and if this case gets past the summary judgment stage, anything is possible in the hands of a jury. Realistically though, I would be shocked if the case did not settle very soon because the Gaye family will likely lose and get nothing...and they know this. The lawyers representing Thicke and Co. are also definitely telling Gaye's estate that the longer this case drags on, the LESS money available to settle, given their own legal fees. In short, I don't see this case setting any precedent because it will never get that far.
The cost of litigating is at least 6 figures so I don't begrudge the Gaye family for turning down a 6 figure settlement (I'm sure it was very low 6 figures) based solely on Thicke's interview and the obvious similarities in the songs. I also disagree with anyone who argues that there is an exact science to determining whether there is a copyright infringement. It's not that way at all and if this case gets past the summary judgment stage, anything is possible in the hands of a jury. Realistically though, I would be shocked if the case did not settle very soon because the Gaye family will likely lose and get nothing...and they know this. The lawyers representing Thicke and Co. are also definitely telling Gaye's estate that the longer this case drags on, the LESS money available to settle, given their own legal fees. In short, I don't see this case setting any precedent because it will never get that far.
What may have started as an experiment in twerking, accessorizing with black friends and cultural tourism, has crossed over into a cry for help. Someone needs to tell this person "No." and "Stop."
I would hate for last night's car wreck topped with a plane crash and toxic chemical spill to somehow be attributed to black culture. That was all 'I can do WTF I want because I am wealthy, white, young, website hits and TV ratings wrapped up in one package.' It was as much Madonna on bad acid as it was a couple of degrees away from plushie porn.
I would hate for last night's car wreck topped with a plane crash and toxic chemical spill to somehow be attributed to black culture. That was all 'I can do WTF I want because I am wealthy, white, young, website hits and TV ratings wrapped up in one package.' It was as much Madonna on bad acid as it was a couple of degrees away from plushie porn.
DocMcCoy said:
Also I don't wanna get all "elbows" here, but she really isn't built for that kind of game. And if it's the "Wayward Disney/Nickelodeon Princess Slutting It Up For Teh Lulz" sweepstakes she's going for, well, I've seen Spring Breakers and homegirl ain't even at the races.
You don't think this is sexy?
Also I don't wanna get all "elbows" here, but she really isn't built for that kind of game. And if it's the "Wayward Disney/Nickelodeon Princess Slutting It Up For Teh Lulz" sweepstakes she's going for, well, I've seen Spring Breakers and homegirl ain't even at the races.
You don't think this is sexy?
awall said:to add a whole other meta-layer to this case, supposedly Gaye based the "groove" for "GTGIU" on a Mbuti pygmy stick rhythm he heard on the "music of the rainforest pygmies" LP on lyrichord. mentioned here:
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
Song #1, Elephant Song?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Rain-Forest-Pygmies-Recordings/dp/B00000228W
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
Song #1, Elephant Song?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Rain-Forest-Pygmies-Recordings/dp/B00000228W
bassie said:And I love how no one is even talking about Thicke in all this.
There were two people on stage acting all kinds of tacky and inappropriate.
Her complete lack of sexy was off-set by him living up to the creepy lech handle.
I just watched that performance - I'm so clueless about this stuff that only a few hours after a friend posted that Beetlejuice photoshop thing did I understand it was Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus.
But having watched it, I have to agree about Thicke. Are people supposed to think he's a sex symbol in the same way they're supposed to think Macklemore is a rapper?
And Miley Cyrus has all the moves of a teenage boy who never had sex but thinks this is what sex is like. Was this whole thing the Disney version of raunchy adult entertainment? Is Macklemore the Disney version of rap?
that Beetlejuice photoshop though: GOLD.
There were two people on stage acting all kinds of tacky and inappropriate.
Her complete lack of sexy was off-set by him living up to the creepy lech handle.
I just watched that performance - I'm so clueless about this stuff that only a few hours after a friend posted that Beetlejuice photoshop thing did I understand it was Robin Thicke and Miley Cyrus.
But having watched it, I have to agree about Thicke. Are people supposed to think he's a sex symbol in the same way they're supposed to think Macklemore is a rapper?
And Miley Cyrus has all the moves of a teenage boy who never had sex but thinks this is what sex is like. Was this whole thing the Disney version of raunchy adult entertainment? Is Macklemore the Disney version of rap?
that Beetlejuice photoshop though: GOLD.
skullsnaps said:awall said:to add a whole other meta-layer to this case, supposedly Gaye based the "groove" for "GTGIU" on a Mbuti pygmy stick rhythm he heard on the "music of the rainforest pygmies" LP on lyrichord. mentioned here:
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
Song #1, Elephant Song?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Rain-Forest-Pygmies-Recordings/dp/B00000228W
The pygmies must feel short-changed in all of this.
http://thewire.co.uk/in-writing/essays/p=9959
snake ----> tail
Song #1, Elephant Song?
http://www.amazon.com/Music-Rain-Forest-Pygmies-Recordings/dp/B00000228W
The pygmies must feel short-changed in all of this.
