True Detective

DocMcCoy said:ketan said:DocMcCoy said:Am I to gather from this that the Red Riding trilogy was broadcast by BBC America stateside, then? It was an indie production that got its first run on Channel 4 in the UK.





It was one huge missed opportunity as far as I was concerned. The books (four, as opposed to the three films) are incredible, and while I'd concede that my view of the adaptation may have been tainted by reading them first, it all still looked as if it was made with one eye on international sales and the other on technical and craft awards.




Couldn't tell you as I don't own a TV - I just read about how good it was in the UK press and sought it out on the high seas.





Not having read the books, I can't comment on that aspect, but what I really liked about it was the storytelling and the acting.




Yeah, there were some great performances throughout, especially from Paddy Considine in the second film, and it wasn't bad by any means. There were just too many short-cuts for my liking. Often, the plot wasn't so much compressed as pounded flat, and it seemed as hidebound by a lack of nerve just as much as any budget constraints in the way so much of the narrative was underdeveloped, skimmed over or bypassed. On the screen, you see a bunch of people who are, at best, comprehensively bent, and who are certainly involved in some pretty nasty business. In the books, you read about the same characters and (many of) the same events, and you think, "These people are fucking monsters." The dramatisation didn't come anywhere near conveying that for me.




Yeah, I do recall there being a lot of characters who were largely peripheral. I think the net effect for me was that there was a lot of suspense (rather than just confusion) about who was relevant to what part of the story... but I can see how it could be a gross simplification of a rich narrative if you've read the books!





We had a thread on here a while back, but those who like True Detective and Red Riding should also check Top of the Lake!
 
rootlesscosmo said:Top of the Lake is not touching True Detective.




Really?! I've only seen one ep of TD, but I was thinking it was other way around...





What did you not like about TOTL?
 
I liked top of the lake. Anyone notice how it had those totally weird commercial cuts, just like Mad Men. Like they cut at random at jarring moments. Mad men's commercial cuts make no sense.
 
DOR said:I found it tough to concentrate on this show after the scene with Alexandra Daddario.




Sticking to the Strut script, I can't say I was crazy with how she had decorated her place - and, indeed, it's difficult to meet a good man when your apartment is decorated as such.
 
white_tea said:DOR said:I found it tough to concentrate on this show after the scene with Alexandra Daddario.




Sticking to the Strut script, I can't say I was crazy with how she had decorated her place - and, indeed, it's difficult to meet a good man when your apartment is decorated as such.




Ha! I didn't really notice the decore, but I did think "that's not a good shelf to handcuff someone to. If he moves it's going to fall right out of the wall."
 
Controller_7 said:white_tea said:DOR said:I found it tough to concentrate on this show after the scene with Alexandra Daddario.




Sticking to the Strut script, I can't say I was crazy with how she had decorated her place - and, indeed, it's difficult to meet a good man when your apartment is decorated as such.




Ha! I didn't really notice the decore, but I did think "that's not a good shelf to handcuff someone to. If he moves it's going to fall right out of the wall."




Haha. I thought the same thing. First thinking she's not going to be able to do the ol, take woody's clothes and leave him hanging gag.
 
kidding. actually Matty Mac had one of his best lines so far after that scene:





???If you???ve got some self-loathing to do this morning, that???s fine, but it ain???t worth losing your hands over.???





hardasfuck
 
hooooooooooooooooooooold up





i really wanted to enjoy this show but ive been cringing along here. watching this is like wading through a minefield of stereotypical corn





tell me - the whole two tough cops in a morally ambiguous wasteland -- theres no black and white - just. shades. of. grey.... schtick isnt really something we need to sit through again - is it ?





then theres the whole the south is a durty trailerpark with little meth head pre teen whores all over it patrolled by leering corrupt cops and wacked out priests steez - is that really as played out a cliche as it strikes me as being ? isnt that just really tired and offensive by now?





then there's the annoying resemblance to the antler killings in hannibal - too much of a similarity to let slide imo - with some blair witchy craft shit thrown in for good measure





then there's mccoanahyey in those interrogation scenes with the two black dts, he's drawling, sucking on cigarettes, glazing over - overacting and tapping way too hard into some potpourri of corn i can hardly bear it





oh but wait - mconahugh is really tapping into some deep shit here - play the dead daughter card. glaze over. say something dark and existential. repeat. really? yes really, flash forward 17 years and hes still doing it. is this supposed to give depth to the cookie cutter character - the haunted profiler - nah man. pass





there were some lines and scenes that were copypasted too. like woody turning away from the murder scene and telling his partner - btw my wife wants you to come over for dinner - isnt that a scene straight out of colors?





i havent entirely given up yet - photography is amazing and its still a fairly entertaining duo to watch but goddamn theyre treading on worn out ground here.





oh i have a sneaking suspicion the big twist will be MM will turn out to have been the killer himself all along. amiwrong?
 
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hannibal - april 2013





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true detective - january 2014
 
I don't know, staxwax. I'm going to have to take your critique with a grain a salt given that you rode for the Lecter franchise all the way up to and including what I'm assuming is the TV series? So I guess I can't speak to any similarities vis????????vis the antlers. You do have a point in that the series is trafficking worn tropes but I think that's somewhat the point? Know the rules, then maybe break them. It was compelling enough two episodes for me to take the ride, despite the feng shui of Woody's ladies, and I'm a sucker for any noir or cop show that's well done, even if it's not necessarily groundbreaking. Additionally, it seems like they are hinting at McConaughey being the killer but methinks that's red herring.
 
Not really riding for the lecter franchise at all- although I have seen the movies, silence of the lambs being the best one imo, I read red dragon, and watched the tv show - the show is not bad - but the antler / stag visuals were very prominent in Hannibal and for that to be repeated so shortly afterwards in another 'dark' serial killer manhunt tv show is more than highly unoriginal imo. shows like this need a certain amount of fresh angles and concepts to keep them interesting in the context of all that came before. im missing that in true detective.
 
staxwax said:hooooooooooooooooooooold up





i really wanted to enjoy this show but ive been cringing along here. watching this is like wading through a minefield of stereotypical corn





tell me - the whole two tough cops in a morally ambiguous wasteland -- theres no black and white - just. shades. of. grey.... schtick isnt really something we need to sit through again - is it ?





then theres the whole the south is a durty trailerpark with little meth head pre teen whores all over it patrolled by leering corrupt cops and wacked out priests steez - is that really as played out a cliche as it strikes me as being ? isnt that just really tired and offensive by now?





then there's the annoying resemblance to the antler killings in hannibal - too much of a similarity to let slide imo - with some blair witchy craft shit thrown in for good measure





then there's mccoanahyey in those interrogation scenes with the two black dts, he's drawling, sucking on cigarettes, glazing over - overacting and tapping way too hard into some potpourri of corn i can hardly bear it





oh but wait - mconahugh is really tapping into some deep shit here - play the dead daughter card. glaze over. say something dark and existential. repeat. really? yes really, flash forward 17 years and hes still doing it. is this supposed to give depth to the cookie cutter character - the haunted profiler - nah man. pass





there were some lines and scenes that were copypasted too. like woody turning away from the murder scene and telling his partner - btw my wife wants you to come over for dinner - isnt that a scene straight out of colors?





i havent entirely given up yet - photography is amazing and its still a fairly entertaining duo to watch but goddamn theyre treading on worn out ground here.





oh i have a sneaking suspicion the big twist will be MM will turn out to have been the killer himself all along. amiwrong?




I'll give you the Hannibal bite.





And I will concur that the bayou/meth/church/corrupt shit is kinda played.





That said, Mac and Woody are acting out of their minds IMO, and the duo together is somehow worth even more than the sum of the parts. And it's shot beautifully. If you see their performances as over the top and the art direction as unoriginal, then yeah I dunno what to tell you; you're just not gonna like this show I guess.
 
Chances are that True detective was wrapping by the time that Hannibal show aired. Unfortunate coincidence a la Paul Blart Mall Cop and Observe and Report. Similar ideas that happened to come out around the same time.
 
Watched second ep last night. Keeping in mind that I haven't seen anything in that series other than Silence of the Lambs, I'm really enjoying this. To my comparison with TOTL, they both have incredible acting (although Liz Moss was a bit plain)... but while that had more depth and innovation, TD has a way radder aesthetic.





Like, um, DOR said:Alexandra Daddario.




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I feel like the killer probably is MM, but then I also want to believe that the creators are trying to make it seem that way to throw us off. So, I kinda also suspect it's the Christian dude who mentioned the religious war in the first ep who is doing a false flag thing.
 
cai said:Episode 3.. great final image! Can't wait till Ep 4.




Yeah, that was nutty. Looks like the next episode will be action packed. Dude's strut was almost like te Bigfoot footage.
 
Nice WSJ vid addressing theory that Cohle is a Tyler Durden-type hallucination, which while most likely not true is fun to think about, also h/t to Red Riding minseries and my favorite Fincher flic Zodiac.





http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2014/01/25/is-true-detective-pulling-a-fight-club/