finelikewine said
ocMcCoy said:J i m s t e r said:Really it must be at the point now where DJ Eurostar turns up with pendrive of mix (not even his mix), plugs into usb deck, click play, hands in air. Fiddle with disconnected kit a bit. 2 hrs later - Nosh off from model, into limo, onto next gig. Repeat.
Maybe-Get-A-Blister-On-Your
Little-Finger...-R
I'm sure there are aspects of the profession nowadays that require a considerably lower expenditure of energy than they once did. But that doesn't alter the fact that the majority of the actual DJs on that list came up the hard way. Bullshit to suggest otherwise, frankly (and I realise you're doing nothing of the sort, btw).
I'm sure it took hard work to simmer down their craft and taste to the most common denominator and of course all that PR work is not to be dismissed. BTW to me and the most people I know these people are famous for - well - being famous. Anyone here ever heard the music by Gareth Emery or Ferry Corsten?
Does anyone know where the clubs are in which these high profile trance djs play, beside of Ibiza? At the moment I can't think of one in germany.
Let me avail you of a few facts, as opposed to second-hand opinions that are based largely on personal prejudice (not that you're not entitled to those things - just be aware of what they are, that's all).
Carl Cox (#16) started out as a mobile DJ in the 1970s, before getting onto the soul/funk/r&b circuit (in other words, playing "modern" when it was new) and later becoming one of the best house and techno DJs in the south of England, and later Europe. This is a guy who's been doing it probably since before you were born.
Paul Oakenfold (#2) used to run Def Jam's UK office in the early 80s. Before that he ran a record pool/promotions company and did some freelance a&r alongside DJing and running club nights. He was there at ground zero of the whole acid house/Ibiza rave thing, and along with about four or five other guys, has a legitimate claim to having actually invented the thing.
Judge Jules (#7) used to run the Family Funktion/Shake & Fingerpop warehouse parties alongside Norman Jay that were central to the London rare groove scene of the mid-80s. He DJ'ed on the London pirate station Kiss-FM, and stayed with it when it went legal in 1990, by which time he was one of the biggest names on the house circuit in the south of England.
The Chemical Brothers (#15) started out as DJs in Manchester in 1990 where they ran their own Naked Under Leather parties. In 1994, they were residents at The Sunday Social, a shortlived and hugely influential party in the basement of a Central London boozer that was roadblocked every Sunday night for three months. I know this because I went to most of them.
I can tell you similar stories about Pete Tong, Sasha, Jon Digweed and, believe it or not, Fatboy Slim as well (who probably owes his career to the Chemical Brothers, for what that's worth), but I'm sure you get my point. Really, it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone else thinks those guys play "lowest common denominator" music, because the fact is they've earned the right to do that. I'm sure some of them have reached the level they're at partly as a result of good PR, although for you to turn your nose up at that implies that you think DJs shouldn't promote themselves. But all I know is that when I used to stand in the same Hacienda queue as Sasha back before he got the residency at Shelley's in Stoke-on-Trent that made his name, even then I'd see kids point him out and talk in awed tones about what an amazing DJ he was. So that's one guy I know that made his name on good old-fashioned word of mouth.
Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions and your prejudices, but right now, with your "I've never heard of any of these guys, so they must all be frauds with artificially-inflated reputations" attitude, you just look like a snob with a massive chip on his shoulder who doesn't really know what he's talking about.
ocMcCoy said:J i m s t e r said:Really it must be at the point now where DJ Eurostar turns up with pendrive of mix (not even his mix), plugs into usb deck, click play, hands in air. Fiddle with disconnected kit a bit. 2 hrs later - Nosh off from model, into limo, onto next gig. Repeat.Maybe-Get-A-Blister-On-Your
Little-Finger...-R
I'm sure there are aspects of the profession nowadays that require a considerably lower expenditure of energy than they once did. But that doesn't alter the fact that the majority of the actual DJs on that list came up the hard way. Bullshit to suggest otherwise, frankly (and I realise you're doing nothing of the sort, btw).
I'm sure it took hard work to simmer down their craft and taste to the most common denominator and of course all that PR work is not to be dismissed. BTW to me and the most people I know these people are famous for - well - being famous. Anyone here ever heard the music by Gareth Emery or Ferry Corsten?
Does anyone know where the clubs are in which these high profile trance djs play, beside of Ibiza? At the moment I can't think of one in germany.
Let me avail you of a few facts, as opposed to second-hand opinions that are based largely on personal prejudice (not that you're not entitled to those things - just be aware of what they are, that's all).
Carl Cox (#16) started out as a mobile DJ in the 1970s, before getting onto the soul/funk/r&b circuit (in other words, playing "modern" when it was new) and later becoming one of the best house and techno DJs in the south of England, and later Europe. This is a guy who's been doing it probably since before you were born.
Paul Oakenfold (#2) used to run Def Jam's UK office in the early 80s. Before that he ran a record pool/promotions company and did some freelance a&r alongside DJing and running club nights. He was there at ground zero of the whole acid house/Ibiza rave thing, and along with about four or five other guys, has a legitimate claim to having actually invented the thing.
Judge Jules (#7) used to run the Family Funktion/Shake & Fingerpop warehouse parties alongside Norman Jay that were central to the London rare groove scene of the mid-80s. He DJ'ed on the London pirate station Kiss-FM, and stayed with it when it went legal in 1990, by which time he was one of the biggest names on the house circuit in the south of England.
The Chemical Brothers (#15) started out as DJs in Manchester in 1990 where they ran their own Naked Under Leather parties. In 1994, they were residents at The Sunday Social, a shortlived and hugely influential party in the basement of a Central London boozer that was roadblocked every Sunday night for three months. I know this because I went to most of them.
I can tell you similar stories about Pete Tong, Sasha, Jon Digweed and, believe it or not, Fatboy Slim as well (who probably owes his career to the Chemical Brothers, for what that's worth), but I'm sure you get my point. Really, it doesn't matter whether you or I or anyone else thinks those guys play "lowest common denominator" music, because the fact is they've earned the right to do that. I'm sure some of them have reached the level they're at partly as a result of good PR, although for you to turn your nose up at that implies that you think DJs shouldn't promote themselves. But all I know is that when I used to stand in the same Hacienda queue as Sasha back before he got the residency at Shelley's in Stoke-on-Trent that made his name, even then I'd see kids point him out and talk in awed tones about what an amazing DJ he was. So that's one guy I know that made his name on good old-fashioned word of mouth.
Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions and your prejudices, but right now, with your "I've never heard of any of these guys, so they must all be frauds with artificially-inflated reputations" attitude, you just look like a snob with a massive chip on his shoulder who doesn't really know what he's talking about.
