Chuck D vs. Hot97 re: summer jam

[staxwax]

It truly sucks to have people (even though many of them are idiots) think that I would dis @MrChuckD ..never...ever...im a student of this— IG : Rosenbergradio (@Rosenbergradio) 10 juni 2014


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Never in life would I compare my work to the amazing work of @MrChuckD or any of our other pioneers..my goal in life is to do right by them— IG : Rosenbergradio (@Rosenbergradio) 10 juni 2014


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in rosenbergs defence - i think hes largely coming correct. I think chuck is indeed stirring the pot to make waves but his larger point - and most important one imo - is that corporate execs set the agenda and are pushing their own financial interests via a huuuuge platform masquerading as 'urban' or 'hiphop' radio. As a vet and one of the most significant contributors to the music chuck d has every right to call these guys out and try to readjust the landscape from a tidal wave of schlock to something that has relevance and perspective to the music he co created that they are feeding off - instead of pimping it out in a disgusting fashion so really - go chuck.





also chuck d has made it quite clear - while engaging in dialogue - that his beef is with the owners and agenda setters and not so much employees like ebro epstein rosenberg and the like.





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chuck is not trolling hes going after a highly visible targets in a provocative way to air out his opinion - which is totally legit so rosenberg still needs to stfu

 

[JectWon]

batmon said:


But I just dont think kids are lead by the radio anymore.




Bingo...ain't no kids fucking with Frequency Modulation to get their daily dose of 'what they are supposed to like' in 2014...shit is as antiquated as horse n buggy.





A kid would look like Benjamin fucking Button if you saw em' fiddling with a radio trying to find their 'fave station'.





Both cobwebbed parties should save their breath in this 'debate'...because neither are relevant; especially if they are splitting hairs over a dead vehicle for music.

 

[Jimster]

Read this elsewhere this morning:

http://elitedaily.com/music/how-one-generation-was-able-to-kill-the-music-industry/593411/

 

[JectWon]

J i m s t e r said:Read this elsewhere this morning:

http://elitedaily.com/music/how-one-generation-was-able-to-kill-the-music-industry/593411/




I'm surprised by how low spotify is in this graph I guess that shows how fractured the streaming on-demand music market is. It would be interesting to see if they lumped all on demand streaming sources together (spotify, groove shark, beats, whatever else is out there).





The killer for radio is that all this stuff is available on a phone and everyday exponentially more people use their phone as their primary music/audio source while in transit.





b/w





The wording of that graph is so horrendous that I assumed it was translated from a different language.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

"if only we played Immortal Technique on the radio, the kids wouldn't be listening to YG and Drake!"





I mean. I appreciate Chuck and where he's coming from, but kids gonna be kids and a bunch of old angry dudes aren't gonna change a damn thing about it.





His energy could be better spent IMO on shoring up/expanding legacy rap radio, which is already happening on WBLS (Marley's show is apparently #2 rated urban and caters to 35-50 demo)... the Sirius old school channel is hot basurington. start there.





Kids these days have no CLUE who PE is/was, and that boat sailed when their parents were teenagers. So it goes.

 

[LaserWolf]

What he said.

 

[HarveyCanal]

Jonny_Paycheck said:"if only we played Immortal Technique on the radio, the kids wouldn't be listening to YG and Drake!"





I mean. I appreciate Chuck and where he's coming from, but kids gonna be kids and a bunch of old angry dudes aren't gonna change a damn thing about it.





His energy could be better spent IMO on shoring up/expanding legacy rap radio, which is already happening on WBLS (Marley's show is apparently #2 rated urban and caters to 35-50 demo)... the Sirius old school channel is hot basurington. start there.





Kids these days have no CLUE who PE is/was, and that boat sailed when their parents were teenagers. So it goes.




You know I agree for the most part, but at the same time...yes, if the radio played more options than 1. more people would listen to the radio and 2. more of those new options would be embraced more than they are now.





To me, it's not about content as much as it's that certain artists are ramrodded down our throats 24/7 at the expense of others that basically get no play at all.





But then it does become about content when those artists being pushed on us are invariably the most consumerist artists anywhere with very little to say beyond LOOK AT ME AND ALL THE STUFF I'VE BOUGHT.





I don't really think Chuck D is going about it the right way, but it is a mess that needs to be sorted at some point.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

Rosenberg actually gets underground/indie stuff played on air occasionally. There is an underground show that he does on Sunday nights. I don't see that in many other markets.





the Hot97 demo is not. fucking. with. 95% of the shit any of us give a shit about. and most of these kids are not consuming their shit thru the radio so having an ally up there is relatively meaningless.





if radio doesn't matter, let it die.





I think it's kind of a great time for rap music right now, a lot of good shit out there that is meeting with success.





I remember when underground shit never got played on the radio. I remember when PE never got played on the radio. Back then there were precisely NONE of the channels kids have nowadays, including but not limited to the traditional record biz.

 

[HarveyCanal]

We had good radio in Houston with the beauty of it being that "underground" ish wasn't just segregated into its own remote time slot. It was mixed in along with the big hits throughout the day. Even better than that, there were often broadcasts direct from deejays spinning at clubs and that's where we'd not only hear a full range of music but also all sorts of live turntable tricks. Of course that was a long time ago when radio was still interested in pleasing its listeners rather than just its shareholders. But yeah, things couldn't have gotten any more wack since then.

 

[LaserWolf]

HarveyCanal said:Jonny_Paycheck said:"if only we played Immortal Technique on the radio, the kids wouldn't be listening to YG and Drake!"





I mean. I appreciate Chuck and where he's coming from, but kids gonna be kids and a bunch of old angry dudes aren't gonna change a damn thing about it.





His energy could be better spent IMO on shoring up/expanding legacy rap radio, which is already happening on WBLS (Marley's show is apparently #2 rated urban and caters to 35-50 demo)... the Sirius old school channel is hot basurington. start there.





Kids these days have no CLUE who PE is/was, and that boat sailed when their parents were teenagers. So it goes.




You know I agree for the most part, but at the same time...yes, if the radio played more options than 1. more people would listen to the radio and 2. more of those new options would be embraced more than they are now.





To me, it's not about content as much as it's that certain artists are ramrodded down our throats 24/7 at the expense of others that basically get no play at all.





But then it does become about content when those artists being pushed on us are invariably the most consumerist artists anywhere with very little to say beyond LOOK AT ME AND ALL THE STUFF I'VE BOUGHT.





I don't really think Chuck D is going about it the right way, but it is a mess that needs to be sorted at some point.




1990 might have been a golden era of the music you like getting played on the radio in your market. It was not a golden era of radio playing a wide range of music. In fact no era ever was. Radio has always been about corporate control forcing music on the public.





I would argue that today, with satellite and internet radio, the market is more open not less.

 

[HarveyCanal]

Internet radio where in most cases you select an artist or genre and then hear a narrow selection of supposedly related tunes?





And hell yes, music in 1990 on the radio or anywhere for that matter was far more diverse than it is now. In the years since, all the different brands of rap and rock and pop have been whittled down to sounding pretty much all the exact same kind of pseudo-melancholy boring. I pull my hair out when I wind up having to listen to the music selection of 20-somethings today. There's very little deviation from what's become the norm for them. They don't seem to mind, but I find it sad.

 

[DocMcCoy]

If radio's influence is waning, it's because The Kids no longer have any need for traditional radio to act as a filter/gatekeeper anymore - music writers already learned this the hard way. Now more than ever, by the time it hits radio, it's old.





There's something a bit "old man yells at cloud rap" about Chuck's tirade, as is the case with many of his peers, though if anyone's earned the right to be Grumpy Old Rap Dude, it's him. But no matter how righteous a case Chuck may make for the most part, people need to get off this idea that the only reason Drake/Weezy/Nicki et al are popular is because The Kids have been "brainwashed" by The Man.

 

[HarveyCanal]

DocMcCoy said: people need to get off this idea that the only reason Drake/Weezy/Nicki et al are popular is because The Kids have been "brainwashed" by The Man.




It's not the only reason, but it certainly helps when those select artists practically hold a monopoly over mainstream forums.





Again, I think...no, I actually know first hand...that when young people are exposed to other options from the mainstream, which is rare nowadays, they appreciate it.

 

[staxwax]

Saying kids dont listen to the radio or radio doesnt matter in 2014 is quite simply and utterly wrong. The graph posted above shows radio has a huge reach and am/fm radio has the second largest daily reach in the usa, with 80% of the population being reached by live tv broadcast and the second medium following that is am/fm radio reaching 59% of the population on a daily basis. With Hip hop / urban being one of the largest genres, you do the math. bloggers, spotify and soundcloud etc. are not seeing radio.

Statistics and facts on the U.S. Radio Industry


Radio is the second most powerful medium in the United States, reaching 59 percent of the countryÔÇÖs population daily. In comparison, 49 percent are reached by the Internet while print media accounts for 13 percent. Only TV, with a daily reach of 80 percent, is consumed on a daily basis by a broader audience. Online radio is, somewhat surprisingly, used by just 15 percent of American radio listeners, even though close to 80 percent of the U.S. population has access to the internet.

Secondly all of the am/fm radio station have digital outlets, such as a huge presence on twitter - ie jocks tweeting - as well as other social media. check out hot97s youtube channel. Radio excerpts and exclusives all find their way on the net and rack up digits there too. What do you think Vevo is and who is behind that?





Then theres the staging of events such as summer jam etc adding to that influence leading to the conclusion quite obviously radio is bigger than the internet as far as reach is concerned. 'kids' listen to radio on their mobile devices too. So all of you claiming radio doesnt matter or has no pull nowadays are simply mistaken. People tend to think the internet rules media - especially people who use the internet a lot - when in fact traditional and terrestial media have a much wider reach than digital platforms. See how many people are aware of your music when you blog it - then compare that to being added to clear channels playlist. srsly.

so - no - radio is not irrelevant, it is shaping the way young people consume music and its agenda fucking sucks culturally in more ways than one.





exposure to a more diverse landscape, leads to more diverse consumption, the media do not follow the audience - they dictate what the audience will consume. Where the fusk do you think Miley Cyrus came from? Children discovered her online? stop kidding yourself.





Chuck D in his mid 50s seems to be more aware and up to date on the impact and the message being propagated than the folks in this thread claiming otherwise. racist stereotypes, ignorance and consumerism being forced down everyones throat is a major issue, not an old man tin foil conspiracy theory.

 

[staxwax]

remember this?

Mar 18, 2003, 10:26am EST


Dixie Chicks axed by Clear Channel





Michael Fitzgerald





Country music's No. 1 act, The Dixie Chicks, have been pulled from radio playlists thanks to a remark singer Natalie Maines made in London last week.





"Just so you know," Texas native Maines said on stage, "we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." Maines added she felt George W. Bush's foreign policy is alienating the rest of the world.





Her remark unleashed a nationwide backlash. The group's records have been pulled by dozens of country-music stations across the country, including two Clear Channel-owned stations in Jacksonville, WQIK 99.1-FM and WROO 107.3-FM.





"Out of respect for our troops, our city and our listeners, [we] have taken the Dixie Chicks off our playlists," said Gail Austin, Clear Channel's director of programming for the two Jacksonville stations.





That's a big leap in logic, said media expert Dennis Stouse, a Jacksonville University professor and chairman of the school's department of communications. "It doesn't have anything to do with our troops or our city."





Punishing Maines for speaking her mind does not fit into the American idea of democracy, he said. "We should accept the fact that there are viewpoints we don't agree with." Celebrities have as much right to make political commentary as do television pundits, he added.





Maines apologized for the remark last Friday. However, Clear Channel confirmed Tuesday the group's music is still not being aired by either station.





Clear Channel Communications is based in San Antonio, Texas.

 

[Brian]

extrapolating demographics from spotty population reach data seems like an exercise futility

 

[batmon]

I dont know any kids in my building that listen to FOT 97.





They can present all the graphs and illusionary percentages they want.





Muthafuckas can walk thru Orchard Beach on a Saturday afternoon and listen to what folks are rockin. Its not 5 hours of Hot 97.





We can go to any local basketball park and listen......any handball court......





B/W..








Public Enema got radio play from the first single P.E.#1...


They had steady radio play on NYC Rap radio (BLS/Kiss/and underground shows all the way through the first 4 albums.


Def Jam Payola from Jump.





Now as far as daytime all Hip Hop/Urban/Hot radio formats later.....only during old school at noon segments.

 

[Flomotion]

DocMcCoy said:If radio's influence is waning, it's because The Kids no longer have any need for traditional radio to act as a filter/gatekeeper anymore - music writers already learned this the hard way. Now more than ever, by the time it hits radio, it's old.





There's something a bit "old man yells at cloud rap" about Chuck's tirade, as is the case with many of his peers, though if anyone's earned the right to be Grumpy Old Rap Dude, it's him. But no matter how righteous a case Chuck may make for the most part, people need to get off this idea that the only reason Drake/Weezy/Nicki et al are popular is because The Kids have been "brainwashed" by The Man.




You could be overestimating da kidz fervour for seeking out new music. I think most just consume it and they still want people to filter it for them but Chuck railing at the lack of realness on commercial radio is 25 years too late. Commercial radio and TV are still key platforms giving teens their pop music cues and The Man still runs the show when it comes marketing that kind of music to the kids, even online: hell, the VEVO channel accounts for up to 40% of Youtube's music video viewing on some days. Half a dozen A-list songs on a 2 hr rotation over 3 months is how commercial radio works, Chuck.

 

[HarveyCanal]

batmon said:I dont know any kids in my building that listen to FOT 97.





They can present all the graphs and illusionary percentages they want.





Muthafuckas can walk thru Orchard Beach on a Saturday afternoon and listen to what folks are rockin. Its not 5 hours of Hot 97.





We can go to any local basketball park and listen......any handball court......




Yeah and it might not be the actual radio on. But chances are good that it's the same 12 songs or at least the same 8 artists that the radio plays over and over and over...

 

[batmon]

HarveyCanal said:batmon said:I dont know any kids in my building that listen to FOT 97.





They can present all the graphs and illusionary percentages they want.





Muthafuckas can walk thru Orchard Beach on a Saturday afternoon and listen to what folks are rockin. Its not 5 hours of Hot 97.





We can go to any local basketball park and listen......any handball court......




Yeah and it might not be the actual radio on. But chances are good that it's the same 12 songs or at least the same 8 artists that the radio plays over and over and over...




Yup..it on at the local store and bullshit fashion joints on Fordham, but not on at 11pm for 16 year old Jacki's Friday Nite Get together.