Comparing Hillary and Obamas actual senate records
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Look at the comparisons. As I already said - Hillary has proposed a massive amount of bills in her 7+ years as a senator but up until November, she was dealing with a republican majority. So looking at their "successes" is arbitrary, and truth be told, neither of them is responsible for any significant bills. The number of positive bills passed in the senate at all (from a democrat's standpoint) in the past 7 years have been few and far between. The issue (if even relevant) should be on voting, on committees, on relationships and on proposed bills. Their voting records are similar, she has served for longer terms on more committees, and has proposed far more bills. I don't think "experience" is really an issue and wouldn't put her record in the senate on the plus side of her column, other than for the fact that she has served longer. He is currently on several committees, has the same relationships, etc.
Its not a winning issue for either of them. COngress has something like a 25% approval rating. She has more experience because she has served more years and proposed more bills, so she can say she is more "active". Again, its not a big deal to anyone who knows their records.
You keep fixating on this..as if the parental - and gender - of the author is somehow relevant to the opinions express therein.
MOTHER ISSUES REVEALED
jokes. if the author's blogger name was Grassroots Dad - i think the same jabs would apply.
Staying at home watching the kids today issues revealed.
Shoot the messenger:
Republican Dodge Tactic #4080
If it was someone else, they'd be suffering from anti-Hillary bias, Obamania, or they're in the pocket of the Republicans.
Hillary and her fanboys are exhausting the playbook, looking like a dying animal....
Republican Dodge Tactic #4080
If it was someone else, they'd be suffering from anti-Hillary bias, Obamania, or they're in the pocket of the Republicans.
Hillary and her fanboys are exhausting the playbook, looking like a dying animal....
Look at the comparisons. As I already said - Hillary has proposed a massive amount of bills in her 7+ years as a senator but up until November, she was dealing with a republican majority. So looking at their "successes" is arbitrary, and truth be told, neither of them is responsible for any significant bills. The number of positive bills passed in the senate at all (from a democrat's standpoint) in the past 7 years have been few and far between. The issue (if even relevant) should be on voting, on committees, on relationships and on proposed bills. Their voting records are similar, she has served for longer terms on more committees, and has proposed far more bills. I don't think "experience" is really an issue and wouldn't put her record in the senate on the plus side of her column, other than for the fact that she has served longer. He is currently on several committees, has the same relationships, etc.
Its not a winning issue for either of them. COngress has something like a 25% approval rating. She has more experience because she has served more years and proposed more bills, so she can say she is more "active". Again, its not a big deal to anyone who knows their records. i dont think this contradicts anything in that article. her proposing more bills cuz shes been around longer is kind of beside the point
how are you addressing obama's wider breadth of issues addressed, and hillary's tendency to propose bills that get no co-sponsors. or obama's willingness to piss off certain lobbys in order to address a specific issue while hills takes the path of least resistance (i.e. the lead paint example)
dude, move on. this is a tired topic and something that you will see republicans using against obama for the next 10 months. why didn't obama have any real senate accomplishments? answer: because he had to deal with a republican majority and a republican prez with veto power. i'm more impressed with someone like kucinech who makes a statement and says lets try to impeach bush even though we won't have the votes - than looking at a bunch of bills that either were intentionally watered down to get gop approval, or were done in vain with no chance of being passed, even thought they weren't that progressive to begin with.
its not a winner on either side. whether hillary got cosponsers for bills that were never gonna pass???
dude, move on. this is a tired topic and something that you will see republicans using against obama for the next 10 months. why didn't obama have any real senate accomplishments? answer: because he had to deal with a republican majority and a republican prez with veto power. i'm more impressed with someone like kucinech who makes a statement and says lets try to impeach bush even though we won't have the votes - than looking at a bunch of bills that either were intentionally watered down to get gop approval, or were done in vain with no chance of being passed, even thought they weren't that progressive to begin with.
its not a winner on either side. whether hillary got cosponsers for bills that were never gonna pass???
And you still haven't explained away the fact that obama was involved in numerous bills beyond the scope that hillary was focused on, and that the majority of his were cosponsored by other dems
dude, move on. this is a tired topic and something that you will see republicans using against obama for the next 10 months. why didn't obama have any real senate accomplishments? answer: because he had to deal with a republican majority and a republican prez with veto power. i'm more impressed with someone like kucinech who makes a statement and says lets try to impeach bush even though we won't have the votes - than looking at a bunch of bills that either were intentionally watered down to get gop approval, or were done in vain with no chance of being passed, even thought they weren't that progressive to begin with.
its not a winner on either side. whether hillary got cosponsers for bills that were never gonna pass???
And you still haven't explained away the fact that obama was involved in numerous bills beyond the scope that hillary was focused on, and that the majority of his were cosponsored by other dems
so its okay to sponsor bills that don't pass just as long as some other democrat is a co-sponsor? your arguing a frivolous point to a non-issue, while leading off this thread as if you had just discovered a bombshell. sorry if i don't accept your invitation to go re-skim that blog from supermom, but your saying he was involved in bills "beyond the scope that hillary was focused on"? aside from the fact that your "evidence" is coming from the commentary of a pro obama daily kos blogger post, even if it was true, so what? neither of them passed any significant legislation, but without question, she has had a more active role just due to her term length thus far.
I am pretty confident that Hillary's supporters will rally behind Obama if he emerges the candidate. I only wish I had the same confidence in Obama's supporters in the event that it goes the other way.
there is a dangerous potentiality I think on the part of a lot of Obama supporters to just drop out if he is not nominated. that could spell doom for the Dems in November.
I am pretty confident that Hillary's supporters will rally behind Obama if he emerges the candidate. I only wish I had the same confidence in Obama's supporters in the event that it goes the other way.
there is a dangerous potentiality I think on the part of a lot of Obama supporters to just drop out if he is not nominated. that could spell doom for the Dems in November.
It's scary how democracy works when you have a candidate people really like...
current committee memberships
Barack is on
Foreign Relations
Veterans' Affairs
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Homeland Security and Government Affairs
Hillary is on
Armed Services
Environment and Public Works
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Aging
Barack is on
Foreign Relations
Veterans' Affairs
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Homeland Security and Government Affairs
Hillary is on
Armed Services
Environment and Public Works
Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
Aging
I am pretty confident that Hillary's supporters will rally behind Obama if he emerges the candidate. I only wish I had the same confidence in Obama's supporters in the event that it goes the other way.
there is a dangerous potentiality I think on the part of a lot of Obama supporters to just drop out if he is not nominated. that could spell doom for the Dems in November.
The independents who support Obama will not support Clinton in the same numbers. They just won't. The Republicans who support Obama will not support Clinton in ANY numbers. They just won't.
Clinton's supporters are basically half the core of the Democratic party. Obama keeps beating her because he gets 2/3 of independents and, if it's an open primary, 3/4 of republicans. It's not a mystery that Clinton will not be as attractive to those voters, nor should it be some kind of disappointment, unless you want to engage in the extremely gross game of condescending to people regarding their voting practices because somehow you know better.
Everyone is entitled to their vote. And I am not entitled to have it be the same as mine. But people typically disappoint me with their electoral behavior.
Knowledge dropped. Now I've got to go get my wisdom teeth out.
No lie,
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Not only is this true, I believe it's one of the most encouraging things to happen in the U.S. in a long while.
Voting a "party line" is absolute bullshit. The fact that people will support Obama for who he is and not what party he belongs to is a big step in a direction that this country needs to move forward in.
It's a sign that the two party system has run it's course.
The more free thinking Indepenedents we have the better off we'll be.
Not only is this true, I believe it's one of the most encouraging things to happen in the U.S. in a long while.
Voting a "party line" is absolute bullshit. The fact that people will support Obama for who he is and not what party he belongs to is a big step in a direction that this country needs to move forward in.
It's a sign that the two party system has run it's course.
The more free thinking Indepenedents we have the better off we'll be.
Not only is this true, I believe it's one of the most encouraging things to happen in the U.S. in a long while.
Voting a "party line" is absolute bullshit. The fact that people will support Obama for who he is and not what party he belongs to is a big step in a direction that this country needs to move forward in.
It's a sign that the two party system has run it's course.
The more free thinking Indepenedents we have the better off we'll be.
OK but it would still be a shame if -- in the event of a Hillary nomination -- Obama supporters handed the White House to McCain.
Maybe the Republicans among them wouldn't mind seeing McCain in the WH over Hillary, but I suspect that, on a close election night in Novemebr, there will be some non-voting former Obama supporters biting their nails, feeling maybe a little voters remorse (see: Nader supporters on election night 2000).
That blog entry is a very superficial look at each of these bills and it is pretty clear that she has no idea what she is talking about. Using the titles of the bills as demonstrations of how one is more effective or pointed than another = flaming poptart status revealed.
Also, this quotation of hers:
BTW- I'm an Obama supporter.
Also, this quotation of hers:
Is an absurd assertion.
BTW- I'm an Obama supporter.
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