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[sticky_dojah]

motown67 said:To relate the American experience to England and Europe, most of the modern immigration to western Europe was the result of WWII. After the war millions were dead, displaced, and the place was destroyed. That led to a huge labor shortage, which was filled by Europe looking to its colonies to bring in foreign workers. That went from the mid-1940s to 1960s. Most countries didn't expect these people to stay after the work was done but they did. Not only that but it established traditions of immigration from specific regions and cities in the developing world to the developed. When Europe had recovered it had a growing number of immigrants that they didn't especially want so they were segregated with declining job prospects, similar to blacks being segregated in urban America while jobs were migrating to the suburbs after WWII.




I do agree here, but still think that London is one the most positively mixed cities in the world. Seriously, I've never experienced a city where it was so much irrelevant how you look, where you from etc. People mingle much better than let's say in Berlin. At least in my experience. And it wasn't only "Black" or "Brown" people that looted. I don't think you can really pull the race card when it comes to these riots. Maybe it all boils down to education. Then again, I am not an expert on the matter and can only speak from my experience. Btw, I did play this tonight to a crowd that mostly was just born when this did drop. And it went down really well:

 

[neil_something]

Really though, all your immigration / race theories fall apart when you look at the riots in Manchester and other parts of the UK.

 

[DOR]

One of the best reads I've had up til now.





http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189105816840954.html

 

[Jimster]

neil_something said:Really though, all your immegration / race theories fall apart when you look at the riots in Manchester and other parts of the UK.




Exactly.





They way I see it is that the idea of theft with seemingly no repercussions is too big a carrot to dangle in front of these feral teenagers. Pls to note I am not tarring all of inner-city youth with the same brush, but the people you see looting are the ones who probably shoplift anyway, or already have some investment in crime.





Sadly, as it has always been, a career of crime pays better than working towards a raise and has no educational barriers to entry, which means they don't need to bother with all that reading and writing and all that other pussy non-gangsta stuff. Specially if you nick somefink for your mum too.





Seems to me the rest of the crowd are ghouls, bored, or have some axe to grind with the police. There is no goal to these riots. No agenda.

 

[Almond]

DOR said:One of the best reads I've had up til now.





http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189105816840954.html




Yes. Thank you.

 

[Duderonomy]

My position is that the welfare state [strike]prevents assimilation and[/strike] guarantees a permanent underclass that remains dependent on the government and thus ensures the continuation of the welfare state to the benefit of those that obtain profit or power from the operation of that system.

And I'll agree with you to a point, but I don't think it's that cut-and-dried.


This isn't about race. If you want evidence that multiculturalism is alive and well, look at the looters:

Racial harmony in action, mate.


The political and financial elite have no qualms about who they oppress, what colour they are, or how long they have lived in England.

 

[Junior]

But............but..................99.9% white?





By the way, if no one else wants it I'm all over this new location.





SportCasual said:





one of Soulstrut's foremost purveyors of ghetto reality porn

 

[Duderonomy]

Junior said:But............but..................99.9% white?







Haha! It's too good to let Harv forget.

 

[DuttyBabylon]

I'm not making light of the situation, being a Hackney youth worker... Far to much to say, and sad to see the young people we've spent many years working with and ploughing resources into, running amock.





I want everything, I want it now and it should be given to me for free.....





One of the inevitable..





http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

 

[soulcitizen]

Last nights events were nothing more than criminal opportunism, Manchester gang leaders directing youths round the city to loot and cause damage. This isn't a race riot and it's an insult to those who were in the race riots of 1981 and 1985 to suggest they are, but there is the background of discrimination and SUS as well as other social deprivation that leads us to this point. White vigilantes on the streets reportedly (REPORTEDLY - but not a lot, and not on the BBC that i've seen) shouting 'BNP!' and trying to turn this into a race war, very worrying - there are parties that will use this to their advantage for all the wrong reasons.





Also people on the ground reporting that the youths in Manchester were not local, and of taxi firms ferrying them in. It's hard to know what is truth and what is just bullshit in all this, but people with hope in their lives don't riot and the government need to rethink investment in the areas they have deprived for so many years so that young people have something to get out of bed for in the morning. This is the poorly educated indigenous underclass of England doing something for the thrill and kudos amongst their own peers, it's been going on for years but just not on this scale, and it's not about colour or race right now.





The children of the children of Thatcher. It was coming.

 

[DocMcCoy]

This ain't good.

 

[soulcitizen]

White vigilantes on the streets of London reports are UNTRUE it seems, nothing more than racist shit from Nick Griffin and his moronic followers, if people want to hit on anything maybe they could pop round his place and sort him out vigilante style the C***.





The people in Enfield were defending their community, all races and creeds as in Southall.

 

[Jimster]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/odd/news/a334193/london-riots-see-baseball-bat-sales-rise-5000-percent.html

The sale of baseball bats on Amazon has risen a whopping 5,000% amid the London riots.





One particular bat, the Rucanor aluminium design, has climbed from 6,500th in the best-selling items list to 125th overnight.





One customer review, by Harry Fish in Bristol, says: "This bat is perfectly weighted and will suit any UK shop-owner looking to protect their property.





"Thanks to the ergonomic handle, one easy swing should be enough to shatter patellas, skulls or any other bone on your targeted looter.





"Personally, I would recommend also investing in some fingerless gloves for extra grip."





All-metal police batons have also grown considerably in popularity, while the top seven items in the 'Movers and Shakers' in Amazon's 'Sports & Leisure' category can all be used as weapons.

 

[Okem]

Junior said:By the way, if no one else wants it I'm all over this new location.





SportCasual said:





one of Soulstrut's foremost purveyors of ghetto reality porn

I was considering it, but I'm not sure if I can carry the weight of such a crown.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Nice little irony here, if you like that sort of thing.

 

[mrmatthew]

http://stereogum.com/779791/indie-labels-suffer-significant-inventory-losses-due-to-london-riots/top-stories/lead-story/








I am NOT down with this.





ALthough, we will probably see some real EBAY bargains on yr fave brit electronic new realeases!!!!!!!!

 

[HarveyCanal]

Duderonomy said:Junior said:But............but..................99.9% white?







Haha! It's too good to let Harv forget.




Why would I forget something that is truth?

 

[sabadabada]

soulcitizen said: It's hard to know what is truth and what is just bullshit in all this.




Truth = anything that supports your position that this is the fault of Thatcher and conservative government systematically neglecting and opressing the poor.





Bullshit = anything that may suggest otherwise.

 

[Reynaldo]

bassie said:Generally speaking, when a difference of opinions happens, I am not really interested in changing people's minds;

That's soft.

 

[PATX]

Truth rarely exists at the margins, but it is useful to go there and see for yourself. Some people don't get a round trip ticket though and then end up thinking that mind control crop dusters really are the biggest issue facing humanity's future. Or taxes.