israel vs the sewer/refuge camp

[cove]

"Your criticism of my oppression is racist!"


NXET LVELL

 

[Duderonomy]

The whole thing is fucking stupid. I'm not denying Jews have/are being persecuted, but two wrongs don't make a right.





I'm still tripping about Fox News...

 

[Rockadelic]

Duderonomy said:


I haven't offered an opinion on whether or not racist Imams are justified or not, I'm asking if they have always been anti-semetic. I'm interested in why and when this started, as I don't believe anyone is born hating Jews. Maybe Israelis do.







Is the answer your looking for that they didn't start hating, firing rockets at and teaching their children to "kill Jews" until they were given a good reason to?

 

[LaserWolf]

staxwax said:First the egyptians, then the romans, then the nazi's, now with the arabs..


What will it take for people to learn putting 'lets kill the jews' first place on their wishlist is not a good idea?

Babylonians, Cossacks, Spanish...





The theme of most Jewish holidays is, They tried to kill us, we survived, let's eat.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

Duderonomy said:rootlesscosmo saiduderonomy said:rootlesscosmo saiduderonomy said:


Luckily Qatar is just talk at the moment. How much of it can be as a result of the treatment of the Palestinias? On a scale 0-100%? Is it 0? Was Qatar making these statements about Jews before Israel existed?

radical Islamism does not exist because of Israel, something you (and the Arabists at the US State Department) don't seem to understand.




So they were explicitly making speeches calling for the death of Jews prior to the creation of Israel?




I take Leon Wieseltier's view on this




But you're not going to answer the question.




I dont try to make excuses for racist imams.





Thats ur role apparently not mine.




Still not an answer = Israel apologist step #1. Play the racism card!








I haven't offered an opinion on whether or not racist Imams are justified or not, I'm asking if they have always been anti-semetic. I'm interested in why and when this started, as I don't believe anyone is born hating Jews. Maybe Israelis do.




rootlesscosmo said:


(I know you're new to this Palestinian advocacy stuff, but here's a hint: no one really tries to defend Hamas' racist, supremacist ideology (or that of any other Jew-hating Islamist organization or country like Qatar). Better to focus on Israeli brutality and Gazan civilian suffering, and to pretend that what Israel's enemies say and do doesn't actually matter.)

 

[Duderonomy]

[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/qsCi7Jof1aI[/media]





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From 2009 and nothing has changed.








Another school targetted.

 

[kala]

Duderonomy said:[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/qsCi7Jof1aI[/media]





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From 2009 and nothing has changed.








Another school targetted.

and i feel completely empowered by this speech as he has mirrored all of my sentiments

 

[Duderonomy]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/03/gaza-israel-united-nations-school-strike-ban-ki-moon

Children's bodies were stored in an ice-cream freezer as the morgue ran out of room.

Yeah yeah, but it's a war against fanatics yadda yadda.

 

[gaz]

kala saiduderonomy said:[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/qsCi7Jof1aI[/media]





[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/S6xWBp6MjvQ[/media]





From 2009 and nothing has changed.








Another school targetted.

and i feel completely empowered by this speech as he has mirrored all of my sentiments




mine too fwiw , american funded genocide purely and simply





and I have lived in Israel so do know how it is there

 

[Duderonomy]

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2014/08/03/israeli-army-whistle-blower-leaks-account-of-revenge-attacks-against-civilians-by-israeli-troops-in-gazas-shujaiyya/

Former combat soldier and company sergeant of the Israeli army turned whistle-blower Eran Efrati, aged 28, was arrested by the Israeli authorities and questioned concerning his research regarding the use of illegal weapons in Gaza.





On Tuesday, July 29, Efrati announced on Facebook that he received information from sources within the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) revealing what he claims to be the real reason for the Shuja'iyya massacre which occurred nine days prior, on July 20, namely that civilians were targeted and killed by Israeli soldiers as punishment for the death of soldiers in their units.





In addition to being arrested and questioned, Efrati had both his Facebook and Email accounts blocked and apparently received death threats aimed at keeping him silent.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

so, Netanyahu is tapping Kerry's phone whenever he's in the region and shares the transcripts with Putin.





one wonders what exactly it *would* take to stop the U.S. from chucking bales of money Israel's way. "thank you sir may I have another" is correct.

 

[Duderonomy]

Keep on defending the indefensible...

Human Rights Watch: Israeli troops killed civilians trying to flee violence in Khuza'a





Human Rights watch is investigating reports of Israeli soldiers firing on unarmed civilians who were trying to flee destruction in KhuzaÔÇÖa a week and a half ago.





ÔÇ£Israeli forces in the southern Gaza town of KhuzaÔÇÖa fired on and killed civilians in apparent violation of the laws of war in several incidents between July 23 and 25, 2014,ÔÇØ the group says in a report. ÔÇ£Deliberate attacks on civilians who are not participating in the fighting are war crimes.ÔÇØ





The report describes three incidents. From the description of the first incident:





On the morning of July 23, Israeli forces ordered a group of about 100 Palestinians in KhuzaÔÇÖa to leave a home in which they had gathered to take shelter, family members said. The first member to leave the house, Shahid al-Najjar, had his hands up but an Israeli soldier shot him in the jaw, seriously injuring him. [...]





As one group walked unarmed to Khan Younis, Israeli soldiers fired on them, killing one and wounding two others.





From the description of the second incident:





Israeli soldiers fired on a group of civilians who had been told to leave their home in KhuzaÔÇÖa, killing Mohammed al-Najjar, a witness said.





From the description of the third incident:





On July 25, an Israeli strike killed three civilians ÔÇô Motassem al-Najjar, 5; Kamel al-Najjar, 62; and Salim Qdeih, around 70 ÔÇô who were among 120 people sheltering in the basement of a home, witnesses said. [...]





Those who had survived the attack on the basement fled after the strike and walked to Khan Younis, carrying white flags and raising their hands when they came across Israeli soldiers. An Israeli missile strike hit one group of them, killing a man and wounding his cousin, the cousin told Human Rights Watch.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

Jonny_Paycheck said:so, Netanyahu is tapping Kerry's phone whenever he's in the region and shares the transcripts with Putin.







cite a source (other than Richard Silverstein) pls.





eavesdropping on Kerry is whatever, but I'm genuinely fascinated by the possible Russian angle.

 

[Duderonomy]

[media]//www.youtube.com/embed/zmCKZYKsiGM[/media]





b/w





http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/hollywood-divided-gaza-support-israel-backlash

It is perhaps the last taboo in Hollywood but the carnage in Gaza is prompting an increasing number of artists and celebrities to do the unthinkable: criticise Israel.





Figures as varied as Rihanna, Jonathan Demme and Selena Gomez have broken the cardinal rule, and risked giving their publicists cardiac arrest, by publicly expressing solidarity with the Palestinians.





The insurrections have triggered a backlash from industry heavyweights such as Jon Voight, Joan Rivers and Howard Stern, verbal volleys in interviews and social media which are Tinseltown's version of civil strife.





"My name is Jon Voight and I am more than angry," the Midnight Cowboy star wrote in an open letter the Hollywood Reporter at the weekend. "I am heartsick that people like Pen├®lope Cruz and Javier Bardem could incite anti-Semitism all over the world and are oblivious to the damage they have caused."





The actor was responding to a letter from more than a hundred Spanish artists, including Cruz and Bardem, accusing Israel of "genocide" in its assault against Hamas militants.





About 1,800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed and more than 9,000 injured in the past four weeks, according to health officials in Gaza. Israel has lost two civilians and 64 soldiers. A Thai migrant worker was also been killed.





Hollywood has close ties to Israel ÔÇô a cause which tends to unite prominent, liberal Jews such as Steven Spielberg, Jeffrey Katzenberg and Barbra Streisand as well as conservative non-Jews such as Voight.





The bombing of UN-run schools and rising civilian casualties in Gaza however has emboldened diverse figures to speak out ÔÇô only in some cases to swiftly retreat.





The actors Mark Ruffalo and Wallace Shawn, Pink Floyd's Roger Waters and the director Jonathan Demme, have experienced jeers since taking a stand.





"I don't see this as being politics or statehood for Palestine or Hamas," Demme, who directed Silence of the Lambs, told AP. "I think it's about taking innocent lives and the destruction of a culture. I've never been ashamed of my pacifist point of view of things at any time since I became a card-carrying hippie back in the '60s."





The Daily Show host Jon Stewart also waded in, choosing his words carefully. "Just merely mentioning Israel or questioning in any way the effectiveness or humanity of Israel's policies is not the same thing as being pro-Hamas."





Two weeks ago Rihanna tweeted the hashtag #FreePalestine to her 36 million followers only to delete it eight minutes later, amid a surge of critical responses, saying it was an accident. A source close to the singer told reporters she was "pro peace" and not taking sides.





Cruz and Bardem also partially retreated, issuing statements to clarify that they had great respect for the people of Israel, mourned their losses and yearned for peace in the region.





Rivers, a veteran comedian and staunch Israel supporter, mocked Gomez, 22, for expressing solidarity with Palestinians. "Where did she go to college? Ask her if she knows how to spell 'Palestinian'".





Russell Brand and Sean Hannity exchanged insults, with the British comedian labelling the Fox anchor intolerant and a terrorist, and Hannity calling Brand "Mr Katy Perry" and a D-list actor.





Much of the entertainment industry has remained silent ÔÇô unusual given otherwise voluble opinions about gay marriage, climate change and south Sudan ÔÇô and observed the Hollywood Reporter's dictum: "Rule 1: Talk about anything political in Hollywood ... except Gaza."





Passions are running so high, however, that even silence from the likes of Spielberg, Streisand and Katzenberg is now considered a statement of sorts.





"Some of the biggest, most well-known supporters of Israel have been the least vocal," noted the Jewish Journal. "Eager to support Israel in times of quiet, they prefer to keep a low profile when things heat up."

b/w





http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/04/gaza-bomb-israel-conflict-game-available-download-google-play-android

What the actual fuck?

 

[rootlesscosmo]

been waiting for Selena Gomez to weigh in; thanks.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

Duderonomy said:


Hollywood has close ties to Israel




lol.

 

[Jonny_Paycheck]

rootlesscosmo said:Jonny_Paycheck said:so, Netanyahu is tapping Kerry's phone whenever he's in the region and shares the transcripts with Putin.







cite a source (other than Richard Silverstein) pls.





eavesdropping on Kerry is whatever, but I'm genuinely fascinated by the possible Russian angle.







of course he is the only source.


this seems unbelievable to you? Netanyahu's contempt for the (current) U.S. government is open and well-documented.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

Jonny_Paycheck said:rootlesscosmo said:Jonny_Paycheck said:so, Netanyahu is tapping Kerry's phone whenever he's in the region and shares the transcripts with Putin.







cite a source (other than Richard Silverstein) pls.





eavesdropping on Kerry is whatever, but I'm genuinely fascinated by the possible Russian angle.







of course he is the only source.


this seems unbelievable to you? Netanyahu's contempt for the (current) U.S. government is open and well-documented.




I never said it was unbelievable to me, but I've been conditioned by many years of dealing with Richard to assume that whatever he says (unless independently corroborated) is bullshit.





as with anything he prints, I just want to see another source before I bother to entertain it.

 

[LaserWolf]

RE: US Money to Israel.


It is my understanding that an earlier peace agreement between Israel and Egypt included stipulations that the US would give each country massive amounts of military support. Most of this support is in the form of payments to US arms manufacturers. Egypt and Israel order weapons, we pay for them. As long as Egypt and Israel don't go to war with each other they are guaranteed the money.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

yeah that's largely it.