It is going to get worse. (Politics and $$$ related)
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This is no real surprise. It's legalized bribery The rich need influence to maintain control and they get influence with their money. They basically have bought the supreme court demonstrated with this ruling and another saying corporations are people with rights. It's not fear mongering, it's the way it is. These are the same people that don't want health care for everyone and think $7.75 an hour is enough to live on. We live in a capitalist oligarchy. We only get our way when we stand together and ironically that's only happened to get weed legalized.
If your rich enough your allowed to molest children and the courts are more worried about a rich person not fairing well in prison that what the scum did to his daughter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/30/robert-richards-rape_n_5060386.html
If your rich enough your allowed to molest children and the courts are more worried about a rich person not fairing well in prison that what the scum did to his daughter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/30/robert-richards-rape_n_5060386.html
volumen said:We live in a capitalist oligarchy. We only get our way when we stand together and ironically that's only happened to get weed legalized.
Interesting post! I think the problem might be even more complex / fucked up then you suggest it is.
Your post makes it seem as if weed-smokers banded together, said "enough is enough," and, on the strength of their unified convictions, managed to undo the laws of the "capitalist oligarchy." To me, that seems like the sort of comforting, self-serving myth which lots of successful movements subscribe to.
I mean, you're probably right, some of pro-weed's success has been based on people getting organized around a shared cultural/moral position (that smoking teh doobies ain't all that bad, and that prohibition is unjust). But I'd argue that the movement's success is also because they play the same game that you're denouncing in the rest of your post -- that is, the pro-marijuana campaign, which has existed as an idea/value for a long-ass time, owes its recent success to the fact that it's now backed by a shitload of money. Dirty hippies buy the law, too!
It'd be fun to see pro-weed (or anti-slavery, or black rights in America, or gay rights, etc.) as this of-the-people movement which is toppling the evil/fascist capitalist state, but you could just as easily see it as being part of a new/emerging "capitalist oligarchy."
So, here's the mindfuck: if the above is true (if pro-weed just represents a different/new/emerging capitalist power), then your post isn't anti-capitalist at all, is it?
tldr: Abandon hope.
Interesting post! I think the problem might be even more complex / fucked up then you suggest it is.
Your post makes it seem as if weed-smokers banded together, said "enough is enough," and, on the strength of their unified convictions, managed to undo the laws of the "capitalist oligarchy." To me, that seems like the sort of comforting, self-serving myth which lots of successful movements subscribe to.
I mean, you're probably right, some of pro-weed's success has been based on people getting organized around a shared cultural/moral position (that smoking teh doobies ain't all that bad, and that prohibition is unjust). But I'd argue that the movement's success is also because they play the same game that you're denouncing in the rest of your post -- that is, the pro-marijuana campaign, which has existed as an idea/value for a long-ass time, owes its recent success to the fact that it's now backed by a shitload of money. Dirty hippies buy the law, too!
It'd be fun to see pro-weed (or anti-slavery, or black rights in America, or gay rights, etc.) as this of-the-people movement which is toppling the evil/fascist capitalist state, but you could just as easily see it as being part of a new/emerging "capitalist oligarchy."
So, here's the mindfuck: if the above is true (if pro-weed just represents a different/new/emerging capitalist power), then your post isn't anti-capitalist at all, is it?
tldr: Abandon hope.
tech12z said:the pro-marijuana campaign, which has existed as an idea/value for a long-ass time, owes its recent success to the fact that it's now backed by a shitload of money. Dirty hippies buy the law, too!
Something tells me it's not just dirty hippies fronting the cash, but maybe that was your point.
Something tells me it's not just dirty hippies fronting the cash, but maybe that was your point.
PatrickCrazy said:scaremongering
Because Brian thinks he could lickspittle his way into comfort in the Rollerball world.
And he probably could.
Because Brian thinks he could lickspittle his way into comfort in the Rollerball world.
And he probably could.
Legalization is only happening because the government now wants their hands on and their cut of something that is going on despite them any way.
Don't even try to see it as a victory for the people because what we really want is decriminalization and not just another means for the government to get more involved in our personal lives.
Fuck medicinal benefits and tax money as the kickers. We just want to get high in peace.
Don't even try to see it as a victory for the people because what we really want is decriminalization and not just another means for the government to get more involved in our personal lives.
Fuck medicinal benefits and tax money as the kickers. We just want to get high in peace.
tech12z said:volumen said:We live in a capitalist oligarchy. We only get our way when we stand together and ironically that's only happened to get weed legalized.
Interesting post! I think the problem might be even more complex / fucked up then you suggest it is.
Your post makes it seem as if weed-smokers banded together, said "enough is enough," and, on the strength of their unified convictions, managed to undo the laws of the "capitalist oligarchy." To me, that seems like the sort of comforting, self-serving myth which lots of successful movements subscribe to.
I mean, you're probably right, some of pro-weed's success has been based on people getting organized around a shared cultural/moral position (that smoking teh doobies ain't all that bad, and that prohibition is unjust). But I'd argue that the movement's success is also because they play the same game that you're denouncing in the rest of your post -- that is, the pro-marijuana campaign, which has existed as an idea/value for a long-ass time, owes its recent success to the fact that it's now backed by a shitload of money. Dirty hippies buy the law, too!
It'd be fun to see pro-weed (or anti-slavery, or black rights in America, or gay rights, etc.) as this of-the-people movement which is toppling the evil/fascist capitalist state, but you could just as easily see it as being part of a new/emerging "capitalist oligarchy."
So, here's the mindfuck: if the above is true (if pro-weed just represents a different/new/emerging capitalist power), then your post isn't anti-capitalist at all, is it?
tldr: Abandon hope.
I'm not even sure what you are saying, but I think I agree with your general point .
The majority of people support legal marijuana so we are getting it because it generates tax dollars and keep people sedated so they don't cause trouble. I'm not saying it's going to topple anything it's just becoming mainstream like alcohol and cigarettes. Popular support pushed the issue but if it didn't benefit the rich we wouldn't be getting it.
The majority of people support gay marriage but the religious right will continue to control this issue for a while. And the politician will pander to the religious minority and extreme right as long as that's where their campaign funds come from. This recent funding ruling will just make it worse. A basic human freedom being denied for money.
The majority of citizens, politicians and even NRA members support some for of gun control via back ground checks and limits on high capacity magazine and assault rifles. This may never happen because a very small minority with a lot of money who profit from gun sales keep this issue form progressing. Perfect example of a capitalist oligarchy maintain control against the people's and governments wishes. Even the president can't do anything about it.
AHC was passed based on popular support but a small minority still want to repeal it because it goes against their plan for "us". I.E. keep us working and in debt to fund their uber-lifestyle. Insurance is more about making big money for corporations than it is helping people. I'm not saying the companies shouldn't make money but they should have a system where profits aren't put ahead of people.
My concern is that this funding ruling is precisely timed to help the conservatives win the next election with money.
Interesting post! I think the problem might be even more complex / fucked up then you suggest it is.
Your post makes it seem as if weed-smokers banded together, said "enough is enough," and, on the strength of their unified convictions, managed to undo the laws of the "capitalist oligarchy." To me, that seems like the sort of comforting, self-serving myth which lots of successful movements subscribe to.
I mean, you're probably right, some of pro-weed's success has been based on people getting organized around a shared cultural/moral position (that smoking teh doobies ain't all that bad, and that prohibition is unjust). But I'd argue that the movement's success is also because they play the same game that you're denouncing in the rest of your post -- that is, the pro-marijuana campaign, which has existed as an idea/value for a long-ass time, owes its recent success to the fact that it's now backed by a shitload of money. Dirty hippies buy the law, too!
It'd be fun to see pro-weed (or anti-slavery, or black rights in America, or gay rights, etc.) as this of-the-people movement which is toppling the evil/fascist capitalist state, but you could just as easily see it as being part of a new/emerging "capitalist oligarchy."
So, here's the mindfuck: if the above is true (if pro-weed just represents a different/new/emerging capitalist power), then your post isn't anti-capitalist at all, is it?
tldr: Abandon hope.
I'm not even sure what you are saying, but I think I agree with your general point .
The majority of people support legal marijuana so we are getting it because it generates tax dollars and keep people sedated so they don't cause trouble. I'm not saying it's going to topple anything it's just becoming mainstream like alcohol and cigarettes. Popular support pushed the issue but if it didn't benefit the rich we wouldn't be getting it.
The majority of people support gay marriage but the religious right will continue to control this issue for a while. And the politician will pander to the religious minority and extreme right as long as that's where their campaign funds come from. This recent funding ruling will just make it worse. A basic human freedom being denied for money.
The majority of citizens, politicians and even NRA members support some for of gun control via back ground checks and limits on high capacity magazine and assault rifles. This may never happen because a very small minority with a lot of money who profit from gun sales keep this issue form progressing. Perfect example of a capitalist oligarchy maintain control against the people's and governments wishes. Even the president can't do anything about it.
AHC was passed based on popular support but a small minority still want to repeal it because it goes against their plan for "us". I.E. keep us working and in debt to fund their uber-lifestyle. Insurance is more about making big money for corporations than it is helping people. I'm not saying the companies shouldn't make money but they should have a system where profits aren't put ahead of people.
My concern is that this funding ruling is precisely timed to help the conservatives win the next election with money.
cove said:HarveyCanal said:
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
HarveyCanal said:cove said:HarveyCanal said:
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
2nd. - Fully agree with Harvey here. And I am pretty sure that Rick Steves (travel guide extraordinaire) is also huge proponent of not propping up legalization solely by exploiting its medical benefits (i.e. they are separate causes)
I suspect the reality is that you need the medicinal benefit argument to really get those on the other side to at least open the door -- people are more likely to be open minded to this issue if they see the benefits of helping a young kid with seizures as opposed to just an opportunity for "the burnout Chad" to get his weed. Silly perspectives of course, but that is the reality these days.
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
2nd. - Fully agree with Harvey here. And I am pretty sure that Rick Steves (travel guide extraordinaire) is also huge proponent of not propping up legalization solely by exploiting its medical benefits (i.e. they are separate causes)
I suspect the reality is that you need the medicinal benefit argument to really get those on the other side to at least open the door -- people are more likely to be open minded to this issue if they see the benefits of helping a young kid with seizures as opposed to just an opportunity for "the burnout Chad" to get his weed. Silly perspectives of course, but that is the reality these days.
jlee said:
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
Not what I was expecting. It's what makes this place great.
But the SCOTUS ruling will not have a great effect on social issues like marriage, marijuana and munitions.
Both sides of those issues will raise lots and lots of money.
This is about transferring the wealth from us to the 1%.
This is to assure that no banker goes to jail, and all bankers get their bonuses.
This is about making sure that fracking is not regulated.
This is about making sure that GMOs are not regulated.
My prediction for first visible effect of the ruling, feds assure Herbalife stock tanks.
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
Not what I was expecting. It's what makes this place great.
But the SCOTUS ruling will not have a great effect on social issues like marriage, marijuana and munitions.
Both sides of those issues will raise lots and lots of money.
This is about transferring the wealth from us to the 1%.
This is to assure that no banker goes to jail, and all bankers get their bonuses.
This is about making sure that fracking is not regulated.
This is about making sure that GMOs are not regulated.
My prediction for first visible effect of the ruling, feds assure Herbalife stock tanks.
jlee said:HarveyCanal said:cove said:HarveyCanal said:
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
.
I'm appalled. We should be able to do it in three steps. The terrorist have won.
Fuck medicinal benefits
dude
It shouldn't even come to that. I mean, of course cannibus has a ton of medicinal benefits that should be freely available to all. But to have to utilize that argument, and/or that regulated weed can enhance tax revenue, in order to say just don't fucking tread on me misses the point IMO.
In fact, it invites more treading.
1st - I love the fact that a post about a SCOTUS ruling of money in politics has turned to a thread about weed in about 5 steps.
.
I'm appalled. We should be able to do it in three steps. The terrorist have won.
cove said
atrickCrazy said:scaremongering
more lelz
I think maybe *everything* is gonna get worse.
Wealth distribution.
Environment going down the shitter (scaremongering!!)
Politics getting even more removed from the common man.
There is no doubt about it. Scientist are pretty much saying we are f'd if we don't make major changes soon regarding climate change. Our great grand kids could very well be living Mad Max style.
The wealth distributions is already in hands of the 1% so it's pretty bad.
NSA spies on everyone, gay marriage still being debated, and guns for everyone because the elites income trump children being murdered. All of this funded by the taxpayers no less.
atrickCrazy said:scaremongeringmore lelz
I think maybe *everything* is gonna get worse.
Wealth distribution.
Environment going down the shitter (scaremongering!!)
Politics getting even more removed from the common man.
There is no doubt about it. Scientist are pretty much saying we are f'd if we don't make major changes soon regarding climate change. Our great grand kids could very well be living Mad Max style.
The wealth distributions is already in hands of the 1% so it's pretty bad.
NSA spies on everyone, gay marriage still being debated, and guns for everyone because the elites income trump children being murdered. All of this funded by the taxpayers no less.
volumen said:
guns for everyone because the elites income trump children being murdered.
Umm, you lost me bigtime there. Guns are to protect individual selves as well as to protect us collectively from tyranny.
You can't want freedom and not want individuals to be free to own their own guns.
guns for everyone because the elites income trump children being murdered.
Umm, you lost me bigtime there. Guns are to protect individual selves as well as to protect us collectively from tyranny.
You can't want freedom and not want individuals to be free to own their own guns.
Schitt is bleak. Open political corruption is now the norm. Our first and better option is to organize the states to amend the constitution to get rid of corporate personhood and get money out of politics. The second option is eventual descent into widespread civil unrest and war. It's all coming to a head, like the Arab spring, just on a different time scale. We no longer have any excuses to be complacent. Money won't save you, only not being corrupt will.
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