Occupy Wallstreet 9/17 .... and now
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sabadabada said:Good thing you aren't all being played for tools by the ILWU.
Can you say "paid day off' or "Overtime pay"?
Can you say "paid day off' or "Overtime pay"?
z_illa said:
You along with Rock will not admit that crimes were committed in the mortgage industry. .
Dude....I've said many times in this thread and others that if any banker, politician or anyone else committed a crime(s) that they should be prosecuted.
You along with Rock will not admit that crimes were committed in the mortgage industry. .
Dude....I've said many times in this thread and others that if any banker, politician or anyone else committed a crime(s) that they should be prosecuted.
Chris Christie said: ???Here???s the way I feel about it: They represent an anger in our country that Barack Obama has caused. He???s a typical cynical Chicago??? politician who runs for office and promises everything and then comes to office and disappoints, and so their anger is rooted not in me or Mitt Romney, their anger is rooted in the fact that they believed in this hope and change garbage ... Now they are angry but they???re not mature enough to know they should be angry with themselves."
Rockadelic said:z_illa said:
You along with Rock will not admit that crimes were committed in the mortgage industry. .
Dude....I've said many times in this thread and others that if any banker, politician or anyone else committed a crime(s) that they should be prosecuted.
You use they word if. They did. They aren't. We protest. Get it?
You along with Rock will not admit that crimes were committed in the mortgage industry. .
Dude....I've said many times in this thread and others that if any banker, politician or anyone else committed a crime(s) that they should be prosecuted.
You use they word if. They did. They aren't. We protest. Get it?
Martin said:sabadabada said:barjesus said:What an asshole
Exhibit A.
I think he was talking about you.
Does it matter?
Exhibit A.
I think he was talking about you.
Does it matter?
Maybe I'm missing something... is it supposed to be considered some kind of hard-hitting analysis, that a prominent Republican would blame the country's ills on the President, like so many have before him? Is it somehow different coming from his mouth? It is, after all, his 'feeling'; an emotional statement; not thoughtful, logical, or grounded in anything concrete. The most interesting part:
Take out the word 'Chicago' and he could just as easily be talking about himself, or any number of public officials across the country.
Equally interesting is that despite his apparent dismissal of it, Christie owes his election win partly to widespread anger at the finance/banking sector... as Corzine was the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, which seemed to turn a lot of voters off.
Take out the word 'Chicago' and he could just as easily be talking about himself, or any number of public officials across the country.
Equally interesting is that despite his apparent dismissal of it, Christie owes his election win partly to widespread anger at the finance/banking sector... as Corzine was the former CEO of Goldman Sachs, which seemed to turn a lot of voters off.
sabadabada said:Chris Christie said: ???Here???s the way I feel about it: They represent an anger in our country that Barack Obama has caused. He???s a typical cynical Chicago??? politician who runs for office and promises everything and then comes to office and disappoints, and so their anger is rooted not in me or Mitt Romney, their anger is rooted in the fact that they believed in this hope and change garbage ... Now they are angry but they???re not mature enough to know they should be angry with themselves."
Totally self-serving and inaccurate. Has Christie or Romney's names ever come off the lips of an OWS press release or announcement? I'm not sure how Obama has "caused" the almost total compromisation of our political process by large corporations with the sheer volume of money at their to disposal. This, IMO, is the main crux of the OWS argument. SCOTUS (or least 5 Justices that overturned longstanding precedent in Citizens United) is the culpable one, not Obama.
Maybe this is another pathetically myopic attempt by Goopers and Baggers to assert an "It happened on Obama's watch, so it's his fault" thing?
These also seems like another example of a member of the party that likes to claim that their moral core is based on the concept of personal responsibilty and not blaming others turning out to be a giant (no pun, Governor Christie) hypocrite.
Totally self-serving and inaccurate. Has Christie or Romney's names ever come off the lips of an OWS press release or announcement? I'm not sure how Obama has "caused" the almost total compromisation of our political process by large corporations with the sheer volume of money at their to disposal. This, IMO, is the main crux of the OWS argument. SCOTUS (or least 5 Justices that overturned longstanding precedent in Citizens United) is the culpable one, not Obama.
Maybe this is another pathetically myopic attempt by Goopers and Baggers to assert an "It happened on Obama's watch, so it's his fault" thing?
These also seems like another example of a member of the party that likes to claim that their moral core is based on the concept of personal responsibilty and not blaming others turning out to be a giant (no pun, Governor Christie) hypocrite.
Martin said:sabadabada said:barjesus said:What an asshole
Exhibit A.
I think he was talking about you.
I wasn't. Its just lame, deeply cynical and doesn't address the fact that most of the problems we're having predate the current administration regardless of who was elected. It also offers no solution other than to blame the victims who he effectively is calling stupid children.
Exhibit A.
I think he was talking about you.
I wasn't. Its just lame, deeply cynical and doesn't address the fact that most of the problems we're having predate the current administration regardless of who was elected. It also offers no solution other than to blame the victims who he effectively is calling stupid children.
Fred_Garvin said:Maybe I'm missing something... is it supposed to be considered some kind of hard-hitting analysis, that a prominent Republican would blame the country's ills on the President, like so many have before him? Is it somehow different coming from his mouth? It is, after all, his 'feeling'; an emotional statement; not thoughtful, logical, or grounded in anything concrete.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Bon Vivant said:Fred_Garvin said:Maybe I'm missing something... is it supposed to be considered some kind of hard-hitting analysis, that a prominent Republican would blame the country's ills on the President, like so many have before him? Is it somehow different coming from his mouth? It is, after all, his 'feeling'; an emotional statement; not thoughtful, logical, or grounded in anything concrete.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
HarveyCanal said:Bon Vivant said:Fred_Garvin said:Maybe I'm missing something... is it supposed to be considered some kind of hard-hitting analysis, that a prominent Republican would blame the country's ills on the President, like so many have before him? Is it somehow different coming from his mouth? It is, after all, his 'feeling'; an emotional statement; not thoughtful, logical, or grounded in anything concrete.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
Ron Paul didn't win the Iowa straw poll, Michelle "Fishbone" Bachmann did. So no, he's not winning all of the Republican straw polls. He also didn't win the Georgia or Florida straw polls. That was Herman "Big Daddy" Cain. Same with the South Carolina straw poll. There are many, many others where Paul did not win, but I think you get the idea. Here's a link if you're so inclined:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#October_3-9.2C_2011.2C_South_Carolina_-_Orangeburg_County_Fair_Straw_Poll
Further, Ron Paul is polling at a whopping 10% nationally (which is no surprise considering he's not winning all of the GOP straw polls), also known as having a snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod, aka few in the GOP give a shit about him. Also, Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012., with the exception of lower taxes, deregulation and anti-choice.
I'm talmbout the real GOP and you're talmbout some fringe guy.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
Ron Paul didn't win the Iowa straw poll, Michelle "Fishbone" Bachmann did. So no, he's not winning all of the Republican straw polls. He also didn't win the Georgia or Florida straw polls. That was Herman "Big Daddy" Cain. Same with the South Carolina straw poll. There are many, many others where Paul did not win, but I think you get the idea. Here's a link if you're so inclined:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#October_3-9.2C_2011.2C_South_Carolina_-_Orangeburg_County_Fair_Straw_Poll
Further, Ron Paul is polling at a whopping 10% nationally (which is no surprise considering he's not winning all of the GOP straw polls), also known as having a snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod, aka few in the GOP give a shit about him. Also, Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012., with the exception of lower taxes, deregulation and anti-choice.
I'm talmbout the real GOP and you're talmbout some fringe guy.
From you link:
January 22, 2011, Derry, New Hampshire ??? New Hampshire Straw Poll
Results from the 2011 New Hampshire Straw Poll were as follows:[1]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage
1 Mitt Romney 35%
2 Ron Paul 11%
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February 27, 2011, Phoenix, Arizona ??? Tea Party Straw Polls
Results from the 2011 Tea Party Straw Poll were as follows:[3]
Onsite Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 22%
2 Tim Pawlenty 16%
3 Ron Paul 15%
Online Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 49%
2 Herman Cain 12%
Combined Polls
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 36% 581
2 Herman Cain 16% 256
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March 20, 2011, Sacramento, California ??? Republican Liberty Caucus of California Presidential Straw Poll
Republican Liberty Caucus straw poll at the 2011 California Republican convention:[6]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 17.8% 36
2 Mitt Romney 10.9% 22
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June 16???18, 2011, New Orleans, Louisiana ??? Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Source of results: Republican Leadership Conference[14]
Finish Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 40.77% 612
2 Jon Huntsman 25.45% 382
3 Michele Bachmann 12.72% 191
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June 19, 2011, Clay County, Iowa Republican Party Straw Poll
Finish Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Ron Paul 15 25%
2 Michele Bachmann 9 15%
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August 13, 2011 Iowa Straw Poll, Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.
Source of results: Washington Examiner and National Journal[19][20]
Place Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%
2 Ron Paul 4,671 27.7%
3 Tim Pawlenty 2,293 13.6%1
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August 15, 2011 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - Wisconsin State Fair straw poll
Source of results: [24]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Rick Perry 36%
2 Ron Paul 23%
3 Michele Bachmann 18%
4 Sarah Palin 13%
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August 20, 2011 New Hampshire Young Republicans Straw Poll
Source of results: Hampton-NorthHamptonPatch[25]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 45%
2 Mitt Romney 10%
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August 27, 2011 Georgia State GOP Straw Poll
Source of results: Politico[26]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 26% 232
2 Ron Paul 25.7% 229
3 Rick Perry 20% 179
4 Newt Gingrich 18% 162
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September 9, 2011 Maryland GOP Straw Poll
Source of results: Republican Party of Maryland[27]
Place Candidate Percentage
1 Rick Perry 25.8%
2 Mitt Romney 21.2%
3 Ron Paul 16.8%
4 Michele Bachmann 12.5%
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September 17 California GOP Straw Poll
The California Republican Party held a straw poll in mid-September 2011, which was won by Ron Paul. The full results were:
Source of results: Politico[31]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 44.9% 374
2 Rick Perry 29.3% 244
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September 24 Florida GOP Presidency 5 Straw Poll
The Florida Republican Party held a straw poll at the end of September 2011,[32] which was won by Herman Cain. Political analysts attributed Cain's win to Perry's poor debate performances, but others pointed to the fact that Cain won the Florida straw poll after campaigning in-person throughout the state more than Perry.[33]
The full results were:
Source of results: [34]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 37.11% 986
2 Rick Perry 15.43% 410
3 Mitt Romney 14.00% 372
4 Rick Santorum 10.88% 289
5 Ron Paul 10.39% 276
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October 7???9, 2011, Washington, D.C. ??? Values Voter Straw Poll
Source of results:[42]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 36.9% 732
2 Herman Cain 22.5% 447
3 Rick Santorum 16.3% 323
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October 8, 2011, Saint Paul, Minnesota - Republican Midwest Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Source of results:[43]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 52.6% 237
2 Michele Bachmann 12.2% 55
3 Mitt Romney 11.1% 50
4 Ron Paul 10.7% 48
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October 13, 2011, Los Angeles County, California - RPLAC Straw Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 53.4% 55
2 Herman Cain 14.6% 15
3 Mitt Romney 12.6% 13
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October 18, 2011, Charleston, South Carolina - Charleston County Republican Party
Source of results:[45]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 51% 35
2 Rick Santorum 17% 12
3 Newt Gingrich 12% 8
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October 21, 2011, Las Vegas, Nevada - Nevada GOP Straw Poll
Source of results:[46][47]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage (approx.) Votes
1 Herman Cain 31%
2 Mitt Romney 29%
3 Newt Gingrich 21%
4 Ron Paul 10%
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October 22, 2011, Columbus, Ohio - Ohio GOP Swing State Straw Poll
Source of results:[48]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 53.50% 229
2 Herman Cain 25.47% 109
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October 25, 2011, Anderson County, Tennessee - East Tennessee GOP straw poll
Source of results:[49]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage
1 Herman Cain 59%
2 Ron Paul 16%
3 Mitt Romney 11%
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October 29, 2011, Des Moines, Iowa - National Federation of Republican Assemblies Presidential Straw Poll
Source of results: [50]
Tally 1 (Iowa voters only):
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 82% 353
2 Herman Cain 14.7% 63
Tally 2 (non-Iowa voters)
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 26% 26
2 Herman Cain 25% 25
3 Rick Santorum 16% 16
3 Rick Perry 16% 16
5 Newt Gingrich 11% 11
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October 29, 2011, Tuscaloosa, Alabama - West Alabama Straw Poll
Source of results: [51]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 50.7% 176
2 Ron Paul 45% 156
3 Newt Gingrich 1.4% 5
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November 5, 2011, Illinois - Illinois Straw Poll
Source of results: [52]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 52% 1,907
2 Herman Cain 18% 670
3 Mitt Romney 14% 515
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November 14, 2011, North Charleston, South Carolina - Charleston County Republican Party Straw Poll
Source of results: [55]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 38.26% 44
2 Newt Gingrich 28.70% 33
3 Herman Cain 13.04% 15
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November 14, 2011, San Diego, California - San Diego GOP Straw poll
Source of results: [56]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 30.5% 112
2 Newt Gingrich 22.6% 83
3 Mitt Romney 17.4% 64
4 Herman Cain 16.1% 59
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November 19, 2011, Springfield, Missouri - Missouri Tea Party Straw poll
Source of results: [57]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 32% 320
2 Ron Paul 28% 282
3 Newt Gingrich 28% 276
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November 19, 2011, North Carolina - North Carolina Republican straw poll
Source of results: [58]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 52.2% 329
2 Newt Gingrich 22.1% 139
3 Herman Cain 13.3% 84
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November 19, 2011, Rockford, Illinois - Winnebago County GOP straw poll
Source of results: [59]
Finish Potential candidate Votes
1 Newt Gingrich 32
2 Ron Paul 20
3 Herman Cain 17
4 Mitt Romney 15
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December 1, 2011, Dubuque, Iowa - Dubuque Tea Party straw poll
Source of results: [60]
Finish Candidate Votes
1 Ron Paul 59
2 Newt Gingrich 24
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December 5, 2011, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Oklahoma GOP straw poll
Source of results: [61]
Finish Candidate Percent
1 Ron Paul 46%
2 Herman Cain 25%
3 Newt Gingrich 17%
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I cherry picked these results. After the first few I left out candidates who polled in single digits. And I left out the tiny handful of polls where Paul polled in single digits or less.
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January 22, 2011, Derry, New Hampshire ??? New Hampshire Straw Poll
Results from the 2011 New Hampshire Straw Poll were as follows:[1]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage
1 Mitt Romney 35%
2 Ron Paul 11%
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February 27, 2011, Phoenix, Arizona ??? Tea Party Straw Polls
Results from the 2011 Tea Party Straw Poll were as follows:[3]
Onsite Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 22%
2 Tim Pawlenty 16%
3 Ron Paul 15%
Online Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 49%
2 Herman Cain 12%
Combined Polls
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 36% 581
2 Herman Cain 16% 256
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March 20, 2011, Sacramento, California ??? Republican Liberty Caucus of California Presidential Straw Poll
Republican Liberty Caucus straw poll at the 2011 California Republican convention:[6]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 17.8% 36
2 Mitt Romney 10.9% 22
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June 16???18, 2011, New Orleans, Louisiana ??? Republican Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Source of results: Republican Leadership Conference[14]
Finish Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 40.77% 612
2 Jon Huntsman 25.45% 382
3 Michele Bachmann 12.72% 191
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June 19, 2011, Clay County, Iowa Republican Party Straw Poll
Finish Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Ron Paul 15 25%
2 Michele Bachmann 9 15%
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August 13, 2011 Iowa Straw Poll, Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.
Source of results: Washington Examiner and National Journal[19][20]
Place Candidate Votes Percentage
1 Michele Bachmann 4,823 28.6%
2 Ron Paul 4,671 27.7%
3 Tim Pawlenty 2,293 13.6%1
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August 15, 2011 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - Wisconsin State Fair straw poll
Source of results: [24]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Rick Perry 36%
2 Ron Paul 23%
3 Michele Bachmann 18%
4 Sarah Palin 13%
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August 20, 2011 New Hampshire Young Republicans Straw Poll
Source of results: Hampton-NorthHamptonPatch[25]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 45%
2 Mitt Romney 10%
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August 27, 2011 Georgia State GOP Straw Poll
Source of results: Politico[26]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 26% 232
2 Ron Paul 25.7% 229
3 Rick Perry 20% 179
4 Newt Gingrich 18% 162
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September 9, 2011 Maryland GOP Straw Poll
Source of results: Republican Party of Maryland[27]
Place Candidate Percentage
1 Rick Perry 25.8%
2 Mitt Romney 21.2%
3 Ron Paul 16.8%
4 Michele Bachmann 12.5%
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September 17 California GOP Straw Poll
The California Republican Party held a straw poll in mid-September 2011, which was won by Ron Paul. The full results were:
Source of results: Politico[31]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 44.9% 374
2 Rick Perry 29.3% 244
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September 24 Florida GOP Presidency 5 Straw Poll
The Florida Republican Party held a straw poll at the end of September 2011,[32] which was won by Herman Cain. Political analysts attributed Cain's win to Perry's poor debate performances, but others pointed to the fact that Cain won the Florida straw poll after campaigning in-person throughout the state more than Perry.[33]
The full results were:
Source of results: [34]
Place Candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 37.11% 986
2 Rick Perry 15.43% 410
3 Mitt Romney 14.00% 372
4 Rick Santorum 10.88% 289
5 Ron Paul 10.39% 276
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October 7???9, 2011, Washington, D.C. ??? Values Voter Straw Poll
Source of results:[42]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 36.9% 732
2 Herman Cain 22.5% 447
3 Rick Santorum 16.3% 323
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October 8, 2011, Saint Paul, Minnesota - Republican Midwest Leadership Conference Straw Poll
Source of results:[43]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 52.6% 237
2 Michele Bachmann 12.2% 55
3 Mitt Romney 11.1% 50
4 Ron Paul 10.7% 48
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October 13, 2011, Los Angeles County, California - RPLAC Straw Poll
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 53.4% 55
2 Herman Cain 14.6% 15
3 Mitt Romney 12.6% 13
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October 18, 2011, Charleston, South Carolina - Charleston County Republican Party
Source of results:[45]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 51% 35
2 Rick Santorum 17% 12
3 Newt Gingrich 12% 8
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October 21, 2011, Las Vegas, Nevada - Nevada GOP Straw Poll
Source of results:[46][47]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage (approx.) Votes
1 Herman Cain 31%
2 Mitt Romney 29%
3 Newt Gingrich 21%
4 Ron Paul 10%
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October 22, 2011, Columbus, Ohio - Ohio GOP Swing State Straw Poll
Source of results:[48]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 53.50% 229
2 Herman Cain 25.47% 109
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October 25, 2011, Anderson County, Tennessee - East Tennessee GOP straw poll
Source of results:[49]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage
1 Herman Cain 59%
2 Ron Paul 16%
3 Mitt Romney 11%
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October 29, 2011, Des Moines, Iowa - National Federation of Republican Assemblies Presidential Straw Poll
Source of results: [50]
Tally 1 (Iowa voters only):
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 82% 353
2 Herman Cain 14.7% 63
Tally 2 (non-Iowa voters)
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 26% 26
2 Herman Cain 25% 25
3 Rick Santorum 16% 16
3 Rick Perry 16% 16
5 Newt Gingrich 11% 11
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October 29, 2011, Tuscaloosa, Alabama - West Alabama Straw Poll
Source of results: [51]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 50.7% 176
2 Ron Paul 45% 156
3 Newt Gingrich 1.4% 5
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November 5, 2011, Illinois - Illinois Straw Poll
Source of results: [52]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 52% 1,907
2 Herman Cain 18% 670
3 Mitt Romney 14% 515
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November 14, 2011, North Charleston, South Carolina - Charleston County Republican Party Straw Poll
Source of results: [55]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 38.26% 44
2 Newt Gingrich 28.70% 33
3 Herman Cain 13.04% 15
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November 14, 2011, San Diego, California - San Diego GOP Straw poll
Source of results: [56]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 30.5% 112
2 Newt Gingrich 22.6% 83
3 Mitt Romney 17.4% 64
4 Herman Cain 16.1% 59
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November 19, 2011, Springfield, Missouri - Missouri Tea Party Straw poll
Source of results: [57]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Herman Cain 32% 320
2 Ron Paul 28% 282
3 Newt Gingrich 28% 276
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November 19, 2011, North Carolina - North Carolina Republican straw poll
Source of results: [58]
Finish Potential candidate Percentage Votes
1 Ron Paul 52.2% 329
2 Newt Gingrich 22.1% 139
3 Herman Cain 13.3% 84
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November 19, 2011, Rockford, Illinois - Winnebago County GOP straw poll
Source of results: [59]
Finish Potential candidate Votes
1 Newt Gingrich 32
2 Ron Paul 20
3 Herman Cain 17
4 Mitt Romney 15
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December 1, 2011, Dubuque, Iowa - Dubuque Tea Party straw poll
Source of results: [60]
Finish Candidate Votes
1 Ron Paul 59
2 Newt Gingrich 24
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December 5, 2011, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - Oklahoma GOP straw poll
Source of results: [61]
Finish Candidate Percent
1 Ron Paul 46%
2 Herman Cain 25%
3 Newt Gingrich 17%
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I cherry picked these results. After the first few I left out candidates who polled in single digits. And I left out the tiny handful of polls where Paul polled in single digits or less.
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Bon Vivant said:HarveyCanal said:Bon Vivant said:Fred_Garvin said:Maybe I'm missing something... is it supposed to be considered some kind of hard-hitting analysis, that a prominent Republican would blame the country's ills on the President, like so many have before him? Is it somehow different coming from his mouth? It is, after all, his 'feeling'; an emotional statement; not thoughtful, logical, or grounded in anything concrete.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
Ron Paul didn't win the Iowa straw poll, Michelle "Fishbone" Bachmann did. So no, he's not winning all of the Republican straw polls. He also didn't win the Georgia or Florida straw polls. That was Herman "Big Daddy" Cain. Same with the South Carolina straw poll. There are many, many others where Paul did not win, but I think you get the idea. Here's a link if you're so inclined:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#October_3-9.2C_2011.2C_South_Carolina_-_Orangeburg_County_Fair_Straw_Poll
Further, Ron Paul is polling at a whopping 10% nationally (which is no surprise considering he's not winning all of the GOP straw polls), also known as having a snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod, aka few in the GOP give a shit about him. Also, Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012., with the exception of lower taxes, deregulation and anti-choice.
I'm talmbout the real GOP and you're talmbout some fringe guy.
You can Paul a looney. I wont argue. You can criticize his positions. I will agree.
But you (and the media and the pundits) do a disservice when all you all say things like "snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod", "Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012".
Now these polls do not predict any thing.
They only tell us how the GOP activists who were motivated enough to participated voted.
But it is those gop activists who decide who has a chance and where the gop stands.
Clearly, from the data you linked to, Paul's chance is pretty dern good and reflects where the gop stands.
Many of the people beating him in these polls are out.
Newt and Romney, the ones we are told are non-fringe and whose ideas, some would have us believe, are in the gop mainsteam, are not doing well in these polls.
Call Paul whatever you like, but from how things stand now he is one of the front runners.
You're not missing anything. The GOP is devoid of any new ideas. Look at their platform, for chrissake. So, instead of offering any up, which they don't have, they are running constant attacks on the President. That's all they have.
Right, Ron Paul isn't offering up any new ideas, none whatsoever. He isn't winning all of the Republican straw polls either.
Ron Paul didn't win the Iowa straw poll, Michelle "Fishbone" Bachmann did. So no, he's not winning all of the Republican straw polls. He also didn't win the Georgia or Florida straw polls. That was Herman "Big Daddy" Cain. Same with the South Carolina straw poll. There are many, many others where Paul did not win, but I think you get the idea. Here's a link if you're so inclined:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#October_3-9.2C_2011.2C_South_Carolina_-_Orangeburg_County_Fair_Straw_Poll
Further, Ron Paul is polling at a whopping 10% nationally (which is no surprise considering he's not winning all of the GOP straw polls), also known as having a snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod, aka few in the GOP give a shit about him. Also, Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012., with the exception of lower taxes, deregulation and anti-choice.
I'm talmbout the real GOP and you're talmbout some fringe guy.
You can Paul a looney. I wont argue. You can criticize his positions. I will agree.
But you (and the media and the pundits) do a disservice when all you all say things like "snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod", "Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012".
Now these polls do not predict any thing.
They only tell us how the GOP activists who were motivated enough to participated voted.
But it is those gop activists who decide who has a chance and where the gop stands.
Clearly, from the data you linked to, Paul's chance is pretty dern good and reflects where the gop stands.
Many of the people beating him in these polls are out.
Newt and Romney, the ones we are told are non-fringe and whose ideas, some would have us believe, are in the gop mainsteam, are not doing well in these polls.
Call Paul whatever you like, but from how things stand now he is one of the front runners.
LaserWolf said:
You can Paul a looney. I wont argue. You can criticize his positions. I will agree.
But you (and the media and the pundits) do a disservice when all you all say things like "snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod", "Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012".
Now these polls do not predict any thing.
They only tell us how the GOP activists who were motivated enough to participated voted.
But it is those gop activists who decide who has a chance and where the gop stands.
Clearly, from the data you linked to, Paul's chance is pretty dern good and reflects where the gop stands.
Many of the people beating him in these polls are out.
Newt and Romney, the ones we are told are non-fringe and whose ideas, some would have us believe, are in the gop mainsteam, are not doing well in these polls.
Call Paul whatever you like, but from how things stand now he is one of the front runners.
Fair enough, and point made. Reasonable minds can diifer.
You can Paul a looney. I wont argue. You can criticize his positions. I will agree.
But you (and the media and the pundits) do a disservice when all you all say things like "snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nod", "Ron Paul's ideas are not indicative of where the GOP currently stands in 2011-2012".
Now these polls do not predict any thing.
They only tell us how the GOP activists who were motivated enough to participated voted.
But it is those gop activists who decide who has a chance and where the gop stands.
Clearly, from the data you linked to, Paul's chance is pretty dern good and reflects where the gop stands.
Many of the people beating him in these polls are out.
Newt and Romney, the ones we are told are non-fringe and whose ideas, some would have us believe, are in the gop mainsteam, are not doing well in these polls.
Call Paul whatever you like, but from how things stand now he is one of the front runners.
Fair enough, and point made. Reasonable minds can diifer.
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