Texas - disconnected?

[Rockadelic]

Yes, Oliver, I understand that liberals push educational agendas too.

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

You can't be enlightened....because you won't think what Conservatives view as "liberal extremism" is extreme at all.

What you feel is a Conservative agenda is what Conservatives think is simply "Doing the right thing".

And subsequently the things Conservatives see as a Liberal agenda you see as just "Doing the right thing".

To prove my point with one example, many Conservatives see pushing school text books like "My Two Dads" as part of the liberal agenda.(there are many more I could use as an example)

And while many citizens are outraged by this I'll bet you just see it as "Doing the right thing".

And to make things clear, I personally have no problem with teaching about "My Two Dads" or Creationism as long as they are taught in the correct context which is basically "This is how some people live/believe".

Not as a mandate of right vs. wrong, but more as here are all the options, respect how other people live.

I believe in the theory of Evolution, but I don't automatically think anyone who doesn't is a defacto idiot.

A birds eye view really helps on issues like this.


And I'm not a fan of the "Liberal = Smart/Conservative = Stupid" theory I see so many folks expound.

 

[twoply]

Yes, Oliver, I understand that liberals push educational agendas too.

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

Calling a representative republic a democracy.

Calling a representative republic subverted on its ear by lobbyist systematically paying for their agendas to be legislated despite public sentiment a democracy.

The promotion of those views are 100% bi-partisan.

 

[HarveyCanal]

But I think it's long been up to parents to teach their children that their school isn't providing the end-all, be-all when it comes to their education...and that the school shouldn't necessarily be viewed as all that much of an institution of authority as just one more resource that needs to be scrutinized at every turn. Kids might as well get used to learning how to be analytical and cope with a load of bullshit presented as official business as it only gets worse in that regard once they grow up and enter the "real world".

So it's ok to knowingly load kids up with utter crap to be overcome in the hope that this will make them somehow stronger in the long run?

The 'Boy Named Sue' school of schooling.

The 'that which doesn't kill me' school of thought.

God bless you all.

SMH
Well next week when I assume control of the school board, I'll make it all right and better.

The Queen shall rule this land!

 

[twoply]

Yes, Oliver, I understand that liberals push educational agendas too.

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

You can't be enlightened....because you won't think what Conservatives view as "liberal extremism" is extreme at all.

What you feel is a Conservative agenda is what Conservatives think is simply "Doing the right thing".

And subsequently the things Conservatives see as a Liberal agenda you see as just "Doing the right thing".

To prove my point with one example, many Conservatives see pushing school text books like "My Two Dads" as part of the liberal agenda.(there are many more I could use as an example)

And while many citizens are outraged by this I'll bet you just see it as "Doing the right thing".

And to make things clear, I personally have no problem with teaching about "My Two Dads" or Creationism as long as they are taught in the correct context which is basically "This is how some people live/believe".

Not as a mandate of right vs. wrong, but more as here are all the options, respect how other people live.

I believe in the theory of Evolution, but I don't automatically think anyone who doesn't is a defacto idiot.

A birds eye view really helps on issues like this.


And I'm not a fan of the "Liberal = Smart/Conservative = Stupid" theory I see so many folks expound.
I can't think of a response beyond an eye-roll. You couldn't be more confused about my position.

 

[Reynaldo]

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

NAMBLA

 

[mannybolone]

Yes, Oliver, I understand that liberals push educational agendas too.

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

I don't think you'd find it "extremism" but I'm sure there are plenty who find the idea of, say, talking about evolution as "extreme liberalism." My point here is that the politics of the issue are in the eye of the beholder. What you or I would find perfectly rational curricula could easily be twisted by the opposition to appear to be extreme. Just look at the Supreme Court battles - at this point, if you're in favor of upholding the last 30 years of jurisprudence, you're an "activist judge" whereas rolling back those changes makes you "an originalist."

Bizarro world my friend.

 

[Rockadelic]

I can't think of a response beyond an eye-roll. You couldn't be more confused about my position.

OK....then we're done here.

 

[skel]

But I think it's long been up to parents to teach their children that their school isn't providing the end-all, be-all when it comes to their education...and that the school shouldn't necessarily be viewed as all that much of an institution of authority as just one more resource that needs to be scrutinized at every turn. Kids might as well get used to learning how to be analytical and cope with a load of bullshit presented as official business as it only gets worse in that regard once they grow up and enter the "real world".

So it's ok to knowingly load kids up with utter crap to be overcome in the hope that this will make them somehow stronger in the long run?

The 'Boy Named Sue' school of schooling.

The 'that which doesn't kill me' school of thought.

God bless you all.

SMH
Well next week when I assume control of the school board, I'll make it all right and better.

The Queen shall rule this land!
On balance, probably chemtrails and the hollow earth are preferable to creationism.

 

[twoply]

Yes, Oliver, I understand that liberals push educational agendas too.

Again, where is the liberal equivalent of this display of ridiculous extremism?

I don't think you'd find it "extremism" but I'm sure there are plenty who find the idea of, say, talking about evolution as "extreme liberalism." My point here is that the politics of the issue are in the eye of the beholder. What you or I would find perfectly rational curricula could easily be twisted by the opposition to appear to be extreme. Just look at the Supreme Court battles - at this point, if you're in favor of upholding the last 30 years of jurisprudence, you're an "activist judge" whereas rolling back those changes makes you "an originalist."

Bizarro world my friend.

It's probably my fault for not being more clear in my initial post.

I am not a "liberal." I do not care for any agendas being pushed on to the educational system that involve brainwashing children with political propaganda, regardless of the political affiliation of the pushers.

Let me assure both you and Rock that I completely understand that everyone has a relative perspective and that most people tend to think that their way is right.

I cannot stress enough that I am not a liberal apologist, but I do not think promoting acceptance of homosexuals, for example, is not even remotely the same as promoting racial and religious superiority, which is what I believe these people are doing.

 

[mannybolone]

I cannot stress enough that I am not a liberal apologist, but I do not think promoting acceptance of homosexuals, for example, is not even remotely the same as promoting racial and religious superiority, which is what I believe these people are doing.

Sure, I agree with you. But you asked what the liberal equivalent to Texas' current textbook proposals is and to the opposition, "promoting acceptance of homosexuals" IS the equivalent.

 

[HarveyCanal]

Only priests are supposed to teach how to apply condoms...oh yeah, they don't even use condoms, nor vaseline.

 

[twoply]

I cannot stress enough that I am not a liberal apologist, but I do not think promoting acceptance of homosexuals, for example, is not even remotely the same as promoting racial and religious superiority, which is what I believe these people are doing.

Sure, I agree with you. But you asked what the liberal equivalent to Texas' current textbook proposals is and to the opposition, "promoting acceptance of homosexuals" IS the equivalent.
Actually, I was specifically asking Rockadelic what he thought was the liberal equivalent.

 

[Rockadelic]

I cannot stress enough that I am not a liberal apologist, but I do not think promoting acceptance of homosexuals, for example, is not even remotely the same as promoting racial and religious superiority, which is what I believe these people are doing.

Sure, I agree with you. But you asked what the liberal equivalent to Texas' current textbook proposals is and to the opposition, "promoting acceptance of homosexuals" IS the equivalent.
Actually, I was specifically asking Rockadelic what he thought was the liberal equivalent.
This isn't about what "I" think, it's about the big picture and what society thinks as a whole.

 

[DJ_Enki]

The Queen shall rule this land!

To be fair, Queen did rule.

 

[DOR]

What are Texans thoughts on this?

 

[Rockadelic]

These are very similar to what the Feds are talking about using on US/Mexico borders.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/...n1.4c2da2f.html

 

[HarveyCanal]

Said the shotgun to the drone.

 

[Rockadelic]

Said the shotgun to the drone.

I can see folks turning this into some sort of high tech skeet shoot.

 

[pimlicosquirrel]

[quote
And to make things clear, I personally have no problem with teaching about "My Two Dads" or Creationism as long as they are taught in the correct context which is basically This is how some people live/believe.


Both these topics shoul take about 30 seconds to teach..

"Kids, listen, dudes fuck, it's all good. As for the other crackpot propagandists, sprouting spurious assertions and deliberately lying to unwitting fundamentalist weirdos, with the ultimate goal of fostering fear in weak minded individuals in order to sell salvation, fuck em'.......now lets move on to Galileo"

 

Is there actually a school system anywhere in America where "My Two Dads" is part of the official curriculum?

I don't think so.

That comparison is apples and oranges.

Injecting Creationism into science classes is ridiculous because Creationism is the stone opposite of science. If this is actually what Texas ends up doing then they're effectively announcing to the world that they're not interested in educating their kids by modern standards. They might as well teach kids Pig Latin instead of English in English classes.