The Cult of Obama

Give Texas back to Mexico? Sure!

If you guys get into a states' rights vs. federalism debate on SoulStrut I am OUT
It promises to be even less informed than the frequent rap discussions.
 
Best we leave it to state legislatures.
It's either D.C. or the States. To me the state seems to better represent the people.
As opposed to the elected representatives that the states send to DC?
 
Best we leave it to state legislatures.
It's either D.C. or the States. To me the state seems to better represent the people.
No doubt! If only George Wallace and Ross Barnett had been permitted to fully represent the people instead of ground beneath the wheel of the totalitarian federal government!
 
BTW, i'm a socialist who's intrigued by Ron Paul's message (or Libertarianism in general). So, i'm pro-abortion myself but i thought his solution to this extremely divisive issue (not over here though) was pretty clever.
Dude, if you really think that invoking states' rights on this issue is new, novel or "clever," you really need to educate yourself. But then again, it's not exactly surprising coming from somebody who describes himself as "pro-abortion".

And a final note: the issue really isn't that divisive; it's a controversy kept alive by a small but very vocal minority.
Hey, i'm an outsider. I don't know that much about your country's political past.

Regarding the "pro-abortion", what is wrong with that? I meant that i'm not against abortion. What did you think i meant? Please to keep in mind that i'm Dutch and that things might get lost in translation.

I agree on your last point.
 
Give Texas back to Mexico? Sure!

If you guys get into a states' rights vs. federalism debate on SoulStrut I am OUT
To me, it's more a conversation about people not being able to handle that not everyone in their own country shares their views to the letter.

That whole, you better speak English or nothing at all syndrome.

I've suffered from this same problem at times in my life (I know, I know...no duh!). Not saying I'm above it completely, but too many take it way too far.
 
BTW, i'm a socialist who's intrigued by Ron Paul's message (or Libertarianism in general). So, i'm pro-abortion myself but i thought his solution to this extremely divisive issue (not over here though) was pretty clever.
Dude, if you really think that invoking states' rights on this issue is new, novel or "clever," you really need to educate yourself. But then again, it's not exactly surprising coming from somebody who describes himself as "pro-abortion".

And a final note: the issue really isn't that divisive; it's a controversy kept alive by a small but very vocal minority.
Hey, i'm an outsider. I don't know that much about your country's political past.

Regarding the "pro-abortion", what is wrong with that? I meant that i'm not against abortion. What did you think i meant? Please to keep in mind that i'm Dutch and that things might get lost in translation.

I agree on your last point.
Actually, I didn't realize that you were neither an American nor a native English-speaker, so I probably was a little hard on you.
 
Oh ok! Simple as that? That's not that bad.
Come on, man. It's not a simple issue and therefore there is no simple solution.

isn't leaving it legal and up to the woman pretty damn simple?
It would be in a lot of countries. But there's a significant portion of your society that's fiercely against it. Abortion clinic bombings, anyone?
I'm very aware of the abortion-related goings on in my society. I'm not saying abortion at its core is simple, there are all sorts of feelings/decisions/issues going on with the woman involved, but legislating it just makes it all the more complicated. Staying the fuck out peoples business is a lot simpler than laws upon laws.

As for clinic-firebomberss, they are criminals and terrorists. We already have laws and institutions for them.
 
BTW, i'm a socialist who's intrigued by Ron Paul's message (or Libertarianism in general). So, i'm pro-abortion myself but i thought his solution to this extremely divisive issue (not over here though) was pretty clever.
Dude, if you really think that invoking states' rights on this issue is new, novel or "clever," you really need to educate yourself. But then again, it's not exactly surprising coming from somebody who describes himself as "pro-abortion".

And a final note: the issue really isn't that divisive; it's a controversy kept alive by a small but very vocal minority.
Hey, i'm an outsider. I don't know that much about your country's political past.

Regarding the "pro-abortion", what is wrong with that? I meant that i'm not against abortion. What did you think i meant? Please to keep in mind that i'm Dutch and that things might get lost in translation.

I agree on your last point.
Actually, I didn't realize that you were neither an American nor a native English-speaker, so I probably was a little hard on you.
Ok, no problem.
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.

I'm pro-choice (not necessarily pro-abortion)
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.

I'm pro-choice (not necessarily pro-abortion)
how about we allow each state to vote on whether women can vote. but women can't vote in that one.
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.
That's ridiculous and flippant.

It's an individual choice.
OK....I agree.....should there be any regulation on it whatsoever??

Age of the woman....term of pregnancy??

I'd love to hear your specific view on how abortion should be handled in our society.
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.
That's ridiculous and flippant.

It's an individual choice.
OK....I agree.....should there be any regulation on it whatsoever??

Age of the woman....term of pregnancy??

No and no.
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.
That's ridiculous and flippant.

It's an individual choice.
OK....I agree.....should there be any regulation on it whatsoever??

Age of the woman....term of pregnancy??

No and no.
Wow
 
He believes it is the business of state governments to decide whether or not a woman has an abortion?
No. The man is running for president. I have never heard him give an opinion on who should decide, only that the president, congress, and the supreme court shouldn't.

I've heard him and other doctors fear losing their jobs if they refused to perform abortions. Should willingness to kill a fetus be a requirement for all doctors?

I am pro choice and I would not support Ron Paul if I did not believe our society in regards to abortion would greatly improve under his watch.
 
How about we let each state vote on the abortion issue but only women can vote.

Sounds fair to me.
That's ridiculous and flippant.

It's an individual choice.
OK....I agree.....should there be any regulation on it whatsoever??

Age of the woman....term of pregnancy??

No and no.
Wow
That's not very outrageous.
 
He believes it is the business of state governments to decide whether or not a woman has an abortion?
No. The man is running for president. I have never heard him give an opinion on who should decide, only that the president, congress, and the supreme court shouldn't.

I've heard him and other doctors fear losing their jobs if they refused to perform abortions. Should willingness to kill a fetus be a requirement for all doctors?

I am pro choice and I would not support Ron Paul if I did not believe our society in regards to abortion would greatly improve under his watch.
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