The New Lupe Single
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HOLLAFAME said:batmon said:Wouldnt it be cool to be noticed for your art instead of some fake controversy?
Not that I know first-hand, but my guess is that the music biz does not necessarily work that way.
Yeah cause all of our favorite producers ONLY made it through with a shady business move.
Not that I know first-hand, but my guess is that the music biz does not necessarily work that way.
Yeah cause all of our favorite producers ONLY made it through with a shady business move.
Hey man I'm not looking to get into an argument about this. All I'm saying is there are a ton of talented dudes out there, Bsides being one of them, that for one reason or another don't break through to big leagues. Bsides obviously has done well based on his talent to get with Lupe in the first place. If he gets more visibility because of this, then I think all is well that ends well. Nobody is getting hurt here.
Firstly, respect for coming on here and airing your views whilst opening yourself up to a lot of negativity - irrespective of what anyone thinks of the end product, its cool that you're here taking on their views.
Secondly, I fully understand why you'd take this project on. I'm not familiar with your work, but i'm guessing you've been working hard on your craft for a long time, and from the comments it sounds like you've got a nice style. If it were me I'd have taken it on, you don't know whether you'd have another chance to work with someone of Lupe's status again.
Not heard the tune yet, but it sounds like Lupe dropped a bollock with this one though.
Still, hope this gets your name into people's minds for next time they hear something by you.
Secondly, I fully understand why you'd take this project on. I'm not familiar with your work, but i'm guessing you've been working hard on your craft for a long time, and from the comments it sounds like you've got a nice style. If it were me I'd have taken it on, you don't know whether you'd have another chance to work with someone of Lupe's status again.
Not heard the tune yet, but it sounds like Lupe dropped a bollock with this one though.
Still, hope this gets your name into people's minds for next time they hear something by you.
This is popular music and it belongs to everybody. I don't have to like that cover version of a Hip Hop classic to understand that. Has Ramsey Lewis asked Lennon/McCartney before recording "Mother Natures Son"? Has Miles Davis asked George Gershwin before recording "Porgy&Bess;"? WTF is wrong with Hip Hop fans? Dogmatic as can be.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
4YearGraduate said:I mean, TROY (trouble t-roy) was a tribute to their dead homeboy and an immensely personal song for CL.
B-sides, I don't blame you for doing what you were asked to do - I blame Lupe. Song is bullshit and in the bigger picture of hip hop is in extremely poor taste IMO. What's the point of trading on this classic? Why not just make a new song.
Co-sign. I think Pete's acting like a bit of a baby about this but that's not a defense of Lupe either.
And no shots at B-Sides but as far as beats go, this feels hella anemic, like one of those tepid "hip-hop instrumental remakes" that pop up every so often.
B-sides, I don't blame you for doing what you were asked to do - I blame Lupe. Song is bullshit and in the bigger picture of hip hop is in extremely poor taste IMO. What's the point of trading on this classic? Why not just make a new song.
Co-sign. I think Pete's acting like a bit of a baby about this but that's not a defense of Lupe either.
And no shots at B-Sides but as far as beats go, this feels hella anemic, like one of those tepid "hip-hop instrumental remakes" that pop up every so often.
disco_che said:This is popular music and it belongs to everybody. I don't have to like that cover version of a Hip Hop classic to understand that. Has Ramsey Lewis asked Lennon/McCartney before recording "Mother Natures Son"? Has Miles Davis asked George Gershwin before recording "Porgy&Bess;"? WTF is wrong with Hip Hop fans? Dogmatic as can be.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
What Lupe did wasn't a cover; totally new lyrics over the same basic sound bed is closer to what you see in reggae but has no corollary in most other pop music.
What B-Sides did - as a beat - is a cover though.
As Batmon suggests, the reason why cover songs don't work in hip-hop is because more than any other American pop form, hip-hop's "no biting allowed" ethos has pretty much strangled the possibility of doing cover songs with a few, slim exceptions (Snoop covering Slick Rick for example). And I think for any of us who've watched the "tribute performances" on VH1's "Hip Hop Awards", there's likely been that feeling of, "this is just kind of weird." That's probably b/c we're simply not used to it but regardless it is what it is.
I don't think there's anything wrong with doing hip-hop cover songs but it'll be slow to catch on.
What B-Sides did - as a beat - is a cover though.
As Batmon suggests, the reason why cover songs don't work in hip-hop is because more than any other American pop form, hip-hop's "no biting allowed" ethos has pretty much strangled the possibility of doing cover songs with a few, slim exceptions (Snoop covering Slick Rick for example). And I think for any of us who've watched the "tribute performances" on VH1's "Hip Hop Awards", there's likely been that feeling of, "this is just kind of weird." That's probably b/c we're simply not used to it but regardless it is what it is.
I don't think there's anything wrong with doing hip-hop cover songs but it'll be slow to catch on.
Damn, this is like some worst nightmare shit, getting a major placement only to get dissed by one of the greats.
Bsides, you've always been nice as hell, and you've been hustling forever; hopefully this gets you some recognition. I can understand Pete getting salty about the remake, but it's bullshit to be like "Lupe's cool, but the producer sucks". The drums were a little sterile for my ears, but c'mon now.
You should probably start a twitter account, like, yesterday. Just start building your name recognition, get your side of the story out there. I know we're all sick of manufactured controversy, but any press is good press, and your name should be a part of the story.
Bsides, you've always been nice as hell, and you've been hustling forever; hopefully this gets you some recognition. I can understand Pete getting salty about the remake, but it's bullshit to be like "Lupe's cool, but the producer sucks". The drums were a little sterile for my ears, but c'mon now.
You should probably start a twitter account, like, yesterday. Just start building your name recognition, get your side of the story out there. I know we're all sick of manufactured controversy, but any press is good press, and your name should be a part of the story.
batmon said:disco_che said:This is popular music and it belongs to everybody. I don't have to like that cover version of a Hip Hop classic to understand that. Has Ramsey Lewis asked Lennon/McCartney before recording "Mother Natures Son"? Has Miles Davis asked George Gershwin before recording "Porgy&Bess;"? WTF is wrong with Hip Hop fans? Dogmatic as can be.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
No, at the moment I don't recall a single one and don't know if there has ever been one but that isn't the point. Just because something isn't aesthetically satisfying there's still no reason to forbid it. It's OK to call it utter bullshit but crying "Sacrileg!" and "We have our one rules" is some conservative nonsense.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
No, at the moment I don't recall a single one and don't know if there has ever been one but that isn't the point. Just because something isn't aesthetically satisfying there's still no reason to forbid it. It's OK to call it utter bullshit but crying "Sacrileg!" and "We have our one rules" is some conservative nonsense.
bassie said:Also - rappers pay homage to each other all the time by inserting phrases / whole lines from other rap songs.
Don't believe the hype, Jay-Z is a raging biter.
Don't believe the hype, Jay-Z is a raging biter.
HarveyCanal said:bassie said:Also - rappers pay homage to each other all the time by inserting phrases / whole lines from other rap songs.
Don't believe the hype, Jay-Z is a raging biter.
B-Sides is extremely talented
glad you are getting some shine but Lupe is horrible and is a barometer for how someone heralds ''real'' hiphop or not
the song is an ambiguous situation forced by a wack artist and with consequences for a dope producer
hopefully bsides comes out unscathed
Don't believe the hype, Jay-Z is a raging biter.
B-Sides is extremely talented
glad you are getting some shine but Lupe is horrible and is a barometer for how someone heralds ''real'' hiphop or not
the song is an ambiguous situation forced by a wack artist and with consequences for a dope producer
hopefully bsides comes out unscathed
disco_che said:batmon said:disco_che said:This is popular music and it belongs to everybody. I don't have to like that cover version of a Hip Hop classic to understand that. Has Ramsey Lewis asked Lennon/McCartney before recording "Mother Natures Son"? Has Miles Davis asked George Gershwin before recording "Porgy&Bess;"? WTF is wrong with Hip Hop fans? Dogmatic as can be.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
No, at the moment I don't recall a single one and don't know if there has ever been one but that isn't the point. Just because something isn't aesthetically satisfying there's still no reason to forbid it. It's OK to call it utter bullshit but crying "Sacrileg!" and "We have our one rules" is some conservative nonsense.
Snoop did La-Di-Da-Di and The Vapors, and I think he covered Pay Ya Dues as well. As I recall, Priority once put out a whole album of covers, and the likes of RATM have covered hip-hop songs, too. (I actually kinda like their version of Pistol Grip Pump. Sorry, Harv.)
I think what batmon meant is that, as an idiom, hip-hop doesn't naturally lend itself to covers. If it did, there'd already be an established tradition by now, and the fact there isn't has, I feel, a lot to do with an acceptance that rap is a more personal means of expression. There isn't the same room for re-interpretation as there is with a pop song. All a rapper can really do is add his own lyrics, which means you immediately invite comparison with the original. It ain't like Isaac Hayes doing Walk On By and taking it somewhere Dionne Warwick could never have taken it.
Lupe Fiasco, on the other hand, seems to be saying, "I've done one of the most well-loved and greatest hip-hop songs ever, therefore by extension I am great". He's one of those dickbags who thinks that saying he's the thing makes him the thing. He's done this his entire career.
There are great cover versions of great songs and awful cover versions of great songs and even great cover versions of awful songs. Every Beatles or Dylan or whatever fan can live with that. Why can't Hip Hop devotees?
All the Free Willy shit is cool, but Hip Hop wasnt built that way.
Covers dont work. Just because Rock and Jazz do it doesnt mean Hip Hop has to. We have our own rules too.
Can u really sit there and tell me there are 20 great Hip Hop Covers since 1975?
No, at the moment I don't recall a single one and don't know if there has ever been one but that isn't the point. Just because something isn't aesthetically satisfying there's still no reason to forbid it. It's OK to call it utter bullshit but crying "Sacrileg!" and "We have our one rules" is some conservative nonsense.
Snoop did La-Di-Da-Di and The Vapors, and I think he covered Pay Ya Dues as well. As I recall, Priority once put out a whole album of covers, and the likes of RATM have covered hip-hop songs, too. (I actually kinda like their version of Pistol Grip Pump. Sorry, Harv.)
I think what batmon meant is that, as an idiom, hip-hop doesn't naturally lend itself to covers. If it did, there'd already be an established tradition by now, and the fact there isn't has, I feel, a lot to do with an acceptance that rap is a more personal means of expression. There isn't the same room for re-interpretation as there is with a pop song. All a rapper can really do is add his own lyrics, which means you immediately invite comparison with the original. It ain't like Isaac Hayes doing Walk On By and taking it somewhere Dionne Warwick could never have taken it.
Lupe Fiasco, on the other hand, seems to be saying, "I've done one of the most well-loved and greatest hip-hop songs ever, therefore by extension I am great". He's one of those dickbags who thinks that saying he's the thing makes him the thing. He's done this his entire career.
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