True Detective
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I think Harvey's right you guys. People talking about the show in the True Detective thread? Needs to stop!
Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large and I read somewhere that was just more of Marty's tone deafness, or preparing for some heavy blood letting. Another friend - on Facebook, natch - was theorizing that his eldest daughter, "the captain of the varsity slut team," was, well, that something bad was going to happen to her. I am dreading the prospects of that, especially in light of Rust's own demons from his lost daughter even if present-day Hart hasn't alluded to anything along those lines.
Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large and I read somewhere that was just more of Marty's tone deafness, or preparing for some heavy blood letting. Another friend - on Facebook, natch - was theorizing that his eldest daughter, "the captain of the varsity slut team," was, well, that something bad was going to happen to her. I am dreading the prospects of that, especially in light of Rust's own demons from his lost daughter even if present-day Hart hasn't alluded to anything along those lines.
Controller_7 said:So does Marty see footage of his kid as a little kid or as a teen? Rust tells him he has to see something and then he is very upset.
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
white_tea said:Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large
lol - I took it for humour, he probably figured a box per gal but then again, three women in the house and that you should be changing those jawns every 4 or so hours, it's about right.
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
white_tea said:Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large
lol - I took it for humour, he probably figured a box per gal but then again, three women in the house and that you should be changing those jawns every 4 or so hours, it's about right.
bassie said:Controller_7 said:So does Marty see footage of his kid as a little kid or as a teen? Rust tells him he has to see something and then he is very upset.
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
Agreed on the question...when did this happen, again? Don't recall seeing this moment. Also, if you guys want to go crazy (or get some pretty nice clues sleuthing theories), check out the reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/
There is some nonsense on there but there is also some real gems that I missed the first time around on the episodes...
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
Agreed on the question...when did this happen, again? Don't recall seeing this moment. Also, if you guys want to go crazy (or get some pretty nice clues sleuthing theories), check out the reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueDetective/
There is some nonsense on there but there is also some real gems that I missed the first time around on the episodes...
gareth said:vintageinfants said:
can we talk about how the stoner from dazed and confused is maybe the best actor in the world right now? and how the bartender from cheers isn't getting left too far behind?
SHIT YEAH.
Harrelson is seriously huge in this; McCounaughey has the more bravura role, but this whole show is great because it's a fucking heavyweight fight.
Might almost have to give it Harrelson on account of him being able to shine through McConaughey's glare and hold his own.
The sex scenes were stupid this episode, actually they've been so this whole show. Schoolboy goofy with the court reporter, flat between Marty and Maggie, laughable bounce bounce uh uh uh with T&A-Mobile...
There is so much heat and chemistry coming off the screen in every other scene and they can't manage to direct and shoot a decent fucking?
You knew it was going to happen as soon as Maggie walked into Rust's place and then oh right, here's some angry frustrated revenge sex. Oh here's the aftermath. Now, get out!
Even the bit where Maggie walks into the bar and gets it rolling before her ass even hits the stool.
Does this Pizzolatto dude even know a woman because he sure as hell can't write them. It is by the grace of these women's acting skills the characters are even working. I get good female characters are almost non-existent in film and tv - and that with the cop thing it's first and foremost a man's story - but sheeeeeeeeeiiit, it doesn't help that most of the females on this show are dead, demure, mute or on a pole.
can we talk about how the stoner from dazed and confused is maybe the best actor in the world right now? and how the bartender from cheers isn't getting left too far behind?
SHIT YEAH.
Harrelson is seriously huge in this; McCounaughey has the more bravura role, but this whole show is great because it's a fucking heavyweight fight.
Might almost have to give it Harrelson on account of him being able to shine through McConaughey's glare and hold his own.
The sex scenes were stupid this episode, actually they've been so this whole show. Schoolboy goofy with the court reporter, flat between Marty and Maggie, laughable bounce bounce uh uh uh with T&A-Mobile...
There is so much heat and chemistry coming off the screen in every other scene and they can't manage to direct and shoot a decent fucking?
You knew it was going to happen as soon as Maggie walked into Rust's place and then oh right, here's some angry frustrated revenge sex. Oh here's the aftermath. Now, get out!
Even the bit where Maggie walks into the bar and gets it rolling before her ass even hits the stool.
Does this Pizzolatto dude even know a woman because he sure as hell can't write them. It is by the grace of these women's acting skills the characters are even working. I get good female characters are almost non-existent in film and tv - and that with the cop thing it's first and foremost a man's story - but sheeeeeeeeeiiit, it doesn't help that most of the females on this show are dead, demure, mute or on a pole.
bassie said:
Does this Pizzolatto dude even know a woman because he sure as hell can't write them. It is by the grace of these women's acting skills the characters are even working. I get good female characters are almost non-existent in film and tv - and that with the cop thing it's first and foremost a man's story - but sheeeeeeeeeiiit, it doesn't help that most of the females on this show are dead, demure, mute or on a pole.
Does this Pizzolatto dude even know a woman because he sure as hell can't write them. It is by the grace of these women's acting skills the characters are even working. I get good female characters are almost non-existent in film and tv - and that with the cop thing it's first and foremost a man's story - but sheeeeeeeeeiiit, it doesn't help that most of the females on this show are dead, demure, mute or on a pole.
bassie said:Controller_7 said:So does Marty see footage of his kid as a little kid or as a teen? Rust tells him he has to see something and then he is very upset.
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
It's in the preview for next week. Rust says he needs Marty to see something and it's a video and Marty is devastated by what he sees.
I missed this - this happened in episode 6? Can you please place it for me?
It's in the preview for next week. Rust says he needs Marty to see something and it's a video and Marty is devastated by what he sees.
bassie said:vintageinfants said:
Ah, of course! Foreshadowing Beth's special request! Detective Vintage does it again!
now i know there is some forced perspective skew going on in this shot, but unless that bar is 11 feet in diameter, pizzolato looks to be about 5' 2". now couple that with italian clich├® and every female character he writes will be one of the two mary's, the slut or the virgin mother.
Ah, of course! Foreshadowing Beth's special request! Detective Vintage does it again!
now i know there is some forced perspective skew going on in this shot, but unless that bar is 11 feet in diameter, pizzolato looks to be about 5' 2". now couple that with italian clich├® and every female character he writes will be one of the two mary's, the slut or the virgin mother.
bassie said:vintageinfants said:
Ah, of course! Foreshadowing Beth's special request! Detective Vintage does it again!
i've been reading differing opinions from female critics all week.
grantlands molly lambert : http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-looming-shadow-grows-the-women-of-true-detective/
new yorkers emily nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum
Ah, of course! Foreshadowing Beth's special request! Detective Vintage does it again!
i've been reading differing opinions from female critics all week.
grantlands molly lambert : http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-looming-shadow-grows-the-women-of-true-detective/
new yorkers emily nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum
I've been able to keep up via the magic of t3h 7orr3n7z0rz, and enjoyed the story so far. I have episode six downloaded but not had the time to watch it, although I think I am already up to speed after reading the posts above.
I think that was Reggie Ledoux that they offed down the farm; the fact that he didn't have the spiral tatt was a simple continuity error. I think Ledoux was a goon in a cult with the head being Tuttle. That's why Tuttle was keen to put his own team on the case, in the same way Corporates sponsor food research to find out sugar doesn't make you fat.
The cult are disposing of their laundry in ritual fashion to keep the po-po obsessing over some lone psycho and not seeing the wood for the trees. The footage of Hart's kid(s) was probably shot by the cult to be surreptitiously disclosed to Hart as a warning message.
There's your word-of-the-day.
I think that was Reggie Ledoux that they offed down the farm; the fact that he didn't have the spiral tatt was a simple continuity error. I think Ledoux was a goon in a cult with the head being Tuttle. That's why Tuttle was keen to put his own team on the case, in the same way Corporates sponsor food research to find out sugar doesn't make you fat.
The cult are disposing of their laundry in ritual fashion to keep the po-po obsessing over some lone psycho and not seeing the wood for the trees. The footage of Hart's kid(s) was probably shot by the cult to be surreptitiously disclosed to Hart as a warning message.
There's your word-of-the-day.
Also, in the episode where Hart pulls up to the court secretary's place, drunk, and scatters the discarded kids bike...
Hinting that he did a drunken hit and run on Rust's daughter? The circumstances around her death haven't been expanded on fully, other than she was killed by a driver, IIRC.
Hinting that he did a drunken hit and run on Rust's daughter? The circumstances around her death haven't been expanded on fully, other than she was killed by a driver, IIRC.
J i m s t e r said:I
I think that was Reggie Ledoux that they offed down the farm; the fact that he didn't have the spiral tatt was a simple continuity error. .
we were never told he had a "taft"
his cell mate called it a spiral scar and it was there, below his neck and above the giant taft on his back
briefly shown when he was cuffed and on his knees
I think that was Reggie Ledoux that they offed down the farm; the fact that he didn't have the spiral tatt was a simple continuity error. .
we were never told he had a "taft"
his cell mate called it a spiral scar and it was there, below his neck and above the giant taft on his back
briefly shown when he was cuffed and on his knees
J i m s t e r said:Also, in the episode where Hart pulls up to the court secretary's place, drunk, and scatters the discarded kids bike...
Hinting that he did a drunken hit and run on Rust's daughter? The circumstances around her death haven't been expanded on fully, other than she was killed by a driver, IIRC.
Her death has not been explained- I figure it to be Rust hitting her with a car, and that shot being some earlier allusion to it.
To Bassie's point - I agree 100% on the whack ass sex scenes. Gratuitous to the point of distracting, they stand out as being a real low point in this show. The earlier one with Marty that leads to some scintillating dialogue on, "Wha? The killer struck again?" Was awful, and this weeks was so corny with the shots of the little devil. Bro, I get it. He's "sinning". Take it down like seven notches.
I think Maggie is well written, and Monaghan's performance is great. She's strong, and a no bullshit lady. But, the sex scenes and female character issues are worthy of criticism.
Hinting that he did a drunken hit and run on Rust's daughter? The circumstances around her death haven't been expanded on fully, other than she was killed by a driver, IIRC.
Her death has not been explained- I figure it to be Rust hitting her with a car, and that shot being some earlier allusion to it.
To Bassie's point - I agree 100% on the whack ass sex scenes. Gratuitous to the point of distracting, they stand out as being a real low point in this show. The earlier one with Marty that leads to some scintillating dialogue on, "Wha? The killer struck again?" Was awful, and this weeks was so corny with the shots of the little devil. Bro, I get it. He's "sinning". Take it down like seven notches.
I think Maggie is well written, and Monaghan's performance is great. She's strong, and a no bullshit lady. But, the sex scenes and female character issues are worthy of criticism.
thrope said:
i've been reading differing opinions from female critics all week.
grantlands molly lambert : http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-looming-shadow-grows-the-women-of-true-detective/
new yorkers emily nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum
Cool - I'm going to put this on ice along with some other articles and the Yellow King stuff. I'm trying to not read anything about the show and just watch it 'fresh'. (It's always more fun to read reviews, etc. after seeing a movie to see how the writer saw it)
It's been hard though, I don't have a TV (why I didn't see the preview) so I have to wait for the stream site to put it up later in the week which means not looking at this thread and walking away when they start talking about it at work lol
gareth said:
I think Maggie is well written, and Monaghan's performance is great. She's strong, and a no bullshit lady. But, the sex scenes and female character issues are worthy of criticism.
Yea, I think it's Monaghan who is really saving the part and at the end of the day, she's a wife, you know? Not one woman exists independent of a man's agency on the show. I also hate how they turned her character from a strong, clear-headed person to a mess. Newsflash! Men cheat and women *don't* fall apart. I didn't even take that whole scene with Rust seriously. It was a huge character arc for both him and Maggie inconsistent to what we have been shown so far. He can keep his head fully blown on coke and booze, but a couple of drinks and a lightshow and he fucks his partner's wife in an uncontrollable fit of lust and rage? Cmon.
(Unrelated - they did the same to Jan on The Office (US). She went from a capable smart person to a raving bitch of a cartoon character. Anyway.)
I think the best Pizzolatto has done for the women is with Beth** to show that sex work is not some sort of a life sentence or end of life. She did it, she moved on and is now living the same work/party life thousands of other young people do.
About gratuitous - the scene in #3 with Cohle in the archives and they are just showing photo after photo of dead women. Totally unnecessary and cheap. For the most part, the show has an elegance; parts like this with the photos and really bad sex scenes undermine that.
edit - **I would add Jan, the trailer park madam, to the list.
i've been reading differing opinions from female critics all week.
grantlands molly lambert : http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/her-looming-shadow-grows-the-women-of-true-detective/
new yorkers emily nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/television/2014/03/03/140303crte_television_nussbaum
Cool - I'm going to put this on ice along with some other articles and the Yellow King stuff. I'm trying to not read anything about the show and just watch it 'fresh'. (It's always more fun to read reviews, etc. after seeing a movie to see how the writer saw it)
It's been hard though, I don't have a TV (why I didn't see the preview) so I have to wait for the stream site to put it up later in the week which means not looking at this thread and walking away when they start talking about it at work lol
gareth said:
I think Maggie is well written, and Monaghan's performance is great. She's strong, and a no bullshit lady. But, the sex scenes and female character issues are worthy of criticism.
Yea, I think it's Monaghan who is really saving the part and at the end of the day, she's a wife, you know? Not one woman exists independent of a man's agency on the show. I also hate how they turned her character from a strong, clear-headed person to a mess. Newsflash! Men cheat and women *don't* fall apart. I didn't even take that whole scene with Rust seriously. It was a huge character arc for both him and Maggie inconsistent to what we have been shown so far. He can keep his head fully blown on coke and booze, but a couple of drinks and a lightshow and he fucks his partner's wife in an uncontrollable fit of lust and rage? Cmon.
(Unrelated - they did the same to Jan on The Office (US). She went from a capable smart person to a raving bitch of a cartoon character. Anyway.)
I think the best Pizzolatto has done for the women is with Beth** to show that sex work is not some sort of a life sentence or end of life. She did it, she moved on and is now living the same work/party life thousands of other young people do.
About gratuitous - the scene in #3 with Cohle in the archives and they are just showing photo after photo of dead women. Totally unnecessary and cheap. For the most part, the show has an elegance; parts like this with the photos and really bad sex scenes undermine that.
edit - **I would add Jan, the trailer park madam, to the list.
Bad sex scenes? The women looked great. I didn't buy the Maggie/Rust scene until the camera panned down to her lower half; then the lust/weakness made sense. Women willfully engage in sex that they are (or think they should be) conflicted about every minute of every day, and a random peek into those different bedrooms would likely reveal and elicit the full range of human emotions and responses, from love and redemption to pure dread.
white_tea said:I think Harvey's right you guys. People talking about the show in the True Detective thread? Needs to stop!
Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large and I read somewhere that was just more of Marty's tone deafness, or preparing for some heavy blood letting. Another friend - on Facebook, natch - was theorizing that his eldest daughter, "the captain of the varsity slut team," was, well, that something bad was going to happen to her. I am dreading the prospects of that, especially in light of Rust's own demons from his lost daughter even if present-day Hart hasn't alluded to anything along those lines.
I originally thought your point about Marty buying a huge pack of tampons as foreshadowing of bad things to come was laughable and ridiculous, but then again, the new police lieutenant (Vondas from the Wire) called Marty a "Human Tampon," so there might be something there.
Also, the trailer for episode 7 suggests that Marty sees something terrible...perhaps involving his daughter.
Anyone with any theories on the quantity on tampons that Det Hart was buying? Seemed abnormally large and I read somewhere that was just more of Marty's tone deafness, or preparing for some heavy blood letting. Another friend - on Facebook, natch - was theorizing that his eldest daughter, "the captain of the varsity slut team," was, well, that something bad was going to happen to her. I am dreading the prospects of that, especially in light of Rust's own demons from his lost daughter even if present-day Hart hasn't alluded to anything along those lines.
I originally thought your point about Marty buying a huge pack of tampons as foreshadowing of bad things to come was laughable and ridiculous, but then again, the new police lieutenant (Vondas from the Wire) called Marty a "Human Tampon," so there might be something there.
Also, the trailer for episode 7 suggests that Marty sees something terrible...perhaps involving his daughter.
Reynaldo said:Bad sex scenes? The women looked great. I didn't buy the Maggie/Rust scene until the camera panned down to her lower half; then the lust/weakness made sense. Women willfully engage in sex that they are (or think they should be) conflicted about every minute of every day, and a random peek into those different bedrooms would likely reveal and elicit the full range of human emotions and responses, from love and redemption to pure dread.
I love Reynaldo's feminine perspective.
I love Reynaldo's feminine perspective.
