G
ULTRAMAGNETIC DRUMS ID
- Thread starter Hawkeye
- Start date
Just check 'Keiths' housing things' or PE's terrordome instrumental, or a milion other tracks. That shaker sound is actually the pitched down Cymbal. It's def. JB's 'Cold Sweat' , either from UBB (not sure how much of a digger Ced was), the Cold Sweat album or from the 'Ain't it Funky' album (the mix on that one is def. different).
OK OK
I just re-checked all the entrys you guys did. No one of the named breaks is the right one.
Yes I can understand why it could be James Browns Cold Sweat, there is even a trumpet stab like in the Ultra song, but it is not the right trumpet tone, and the sound of the snare is not right either.
The James Brown Soulpride drums also got ghostsnares and cymbals, but still it is not the right snare sound.
I picthed the drums, I chopped the drums, I tweaked them a little bit with EQ and I brought them all into one row.
Now listen to this file it goes like this:
Ultra
Mongo Cold Sweat
Ultra
Mongo Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Brown Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Brown Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Soulpride
Ultra
James Soulpride
Check for the snare sounds. And listen real closely. Those snares are all diffrent. Not one snare is like the other.
So the Ultra snare cant be from these 3 breaks
ULTRA - MONGO- JAMES - JAMES BREAKS
Peace
Hawkeye
I just re-checked all the entrys you guys did. No one of the named breaks is the right one.
Yes I can understand why it could be James Browns Cold Sweat, there is even a trumpet stab like in the Ultra song, but it is not the right trumpet tone, and the sound of the snare is not right either.
The James Brown Soulpride drums also got ghostsnares and cymbals, but still it is not the right snare sound.
I picthed the drums, I chopped the drums, I tweaked them a little bit with EQ and I brought them all into one row.
Now listen to this file it goes like this:
Ultra
Mongo Cold Sweat
Ultra
Mongo Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Brown Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Brown Cold Sweat
Ultra
James Soulpride
Ultra
James Soulpride
Check for the snare sounds. And listen real closely. Those snares are all diffrent. Not one snare is like the other.
So the Ultra snare cant be from these 3 breaks
ULTRA - MONGO- JAMES - JAMES BREAKS
Peace
Hawkeye
The Soulpride sounds most likely to be the one to me, don't forget that it probably would have been an LP version sampled at 45rpm with pitch set at +8, then pitched back down on an SP1200 which in itself will colour the end result as well.
I doubt that.
OK, if Ced Gee or Paul C had speed up the sample to 45 rpm + 8%, put it into a SP, pitched it down, you would def here a physical effect called aliasing. These are artificial sounds which can be described as metal sounding. I cant here any aliasing effects on that Ultra snare sample.
And I wouldnt understand the need for speeding up the sample. It's around 0.625 miliseconds long, its shorter than a second, thats the normal length of a snare for a SP 1200 and even a SP 12 with shorter sample memory.
To speed up longer samples makes sense, but not these short sounds.
And even if the snare was speed up that much, it wouldnt have that much of an effect to the snare sound. Those 3 diffrent snares are sounding WAY TO much diffrent.
I'll stop that here now.
I'll come back when I got the original.
Peace
Hawkeye
I doubt that.
OK, if Ced Gee or Paul C had speed up the sample to 45 rpm + 8%, put it into a SP, pitched it down, you would def here a physical effect called aliasing. These are artificial sounds which can be described as metal sounding. I cant here any aliasing effects on that Ultra snare sample.
And I wouldnt understand the need for speeding up the sample. It's around 0.625 miliseconds long, its shorter than a second, thats the normal length of a snare for a SP 1200 and even a SP 12 with shorter sample memory.
To speed up longer samples makes sense, but not these short sounds.
And even if the snare was speed up that much, it wouldnt have that much of an effect to the snare sound. Those 3 diffrent snares are sounding WAY TO much diffrent.
I'll stop that here now.
I'll come back when I got the original.
Peace
Hawkeye
Its usual practise to speed up all samples when using an SP1200 or SP12, having owned both in the past and being very familiar with the sounds they output I would lean towards the theory that I put forward.
Another thing to bear in mind is unless you are using either of those machines on the samples you are never going to recreate the same "sound" due to the chips that they use. Dropping the sample rate does not have the same effect.
there was a time when i cared and then i always thought these were jb/ get into get involved. snare and kicks sound real similar.
G
Grope
Guest
Isn't that from "Kitty with a Bent Frame" off the $ OST?Hawkeye, you're a real nerd. And I mean this as a compliment. You are not just a sample spotter, you are a sample dissector. I love it man.
Peace,
Big Stacks from Kakalak
Good morning Soulstrut, I
wanted to come back after 17 years and bring this thread to a proper
end. Back then I asked what the drums were for “Feelin It” by the
Ultramagnetic MC’s. One of my absolute favorite beats on one of my
favorite albums. As always in this forum, an exciting discussion began.
Many sources were thrown into the ring. And then there was a discussion.
I thought all the drum suggestions from "Cold Sweat" to "Soul Pride"
were the wrong answer. A discussion began as usual here. Alle these guys
threw something into the forum.
@Johmbolaya
@CinisterCee
@Grope
@Manduro3000
@M_Dejean
@WolfmeisterB
@badder_than_evil
@Raystar
@Jaymack
@Imperial_Mao
@RAW_HAMBURGER
@DJ_Enki
@Delay
@Big_Stacks
I didnt believed them. And now I can answer my own question. Here it is:
OK, that was for starters 
There's this saying that the flap of a butterfly's wing can cause a hurricane. Here's what happened next and what happened afterward in the 17 years since.
Back than I didn't believe those guys with their suggested drum breaks. And they didn't believe me.
The discussion 17 years ago went so far that my explanations ranged
from the wrong sound and feel to sample chopping effects like stopped
releaseparts of a cymbal to the physical phenomenon of aliasing.
But no one could relate to what I was talking about.
That's why I
started producing an "anti-sample-proof" with the suggested breaks and
posted it here to proof my point and make it relateable to those legends. This ultimately led me to start doing the opposite.
Namely to produce and post “sample-proof-audios” that proof that a sample source is really the right source in such discussions.
This in turn led me a couple of years later to Timon “Bronco” Heinke. He
postet the source for the Moob Deep - Shook Ones Pt. II sample on The
Breaks.com forum, and a lot of people didnt believed him there, and here too.
"Naaahhh, I cant hear that......." :BS: And again a new discussion broke out.
Thats when I produced the "sample-proof-audio" for that Herbie Hancock
Jessica sample and posted it here on Soulstrut. Then someone ripped it
and put it on YouTube, and then DJ Jazz Jeff downloaded it and started
playing it at parties. Until Questlove stood at a party next to him and heard for the first
time in his life the original source of Shook Ones Pt. II. And he went
crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuQxjnQWNdo
DJ Premier did the same thing as Jazzy Jeff at live concerts and audiences around the world went nuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RjDtLfC1Q&ab_channel=jaybpaid
And DJ Nick Bike went one step further. He completely recreated my
"sample-proof-audio" and released it on his Chosen Spokes series on Vol.
4. He pressed it onto a 45 as a DJ tool.
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?height=314&href=https://www.facebook.com/djnickbike/videos/1140862199267979/&show_text=false&width=560&t=0
Since the "sample-proof-audio"
only existed digitally, DJs could not use it in a 45 Only DJ set. :sonecessary:
Love the level of nerdism.
By the way DJ Nick, you never sent me one of the 45s, not even when I
contacted you. Here's your chance to catch up, hit me on Instagram or
Facebook and send me a record dude. https://www.instagram.com/falkschacht/
I'm not here to front. I haven't posted here for a long time, and I
don't know who's posting here today. But I want to say thank you.
Thanks to Raj and people like him who, out of love for a cause, open
something like this forum and keep it alive. And thanks to the global
community of record and sample diggas. We nerds are always thought of as
strange. But without us, humanity would still be sitting in caves
today.
We found the exit.
And now we find samples and beats, simply because we feel like it. And
because of something as ridiculous as asking for a drum sample, I
started building this audio proofs, and it becomes such a global thing
and so many people can relate to it. That's the beauty of being a nerd
and the things we strange people do.
Thanks to all people who postet here the last 26 years
P.S:
DJ Nick, send me the 45 dude!
There's this saying that the flap of a butterfly's wing can cause a hurricane. Here's what happened next and what happened afterward in the 17 years since.
Back than I didn't believe those guys with their suggested drum breaks. And they didn't believe me.
The discussion 17 years ago went so far that my explanations ranged
from the wrong sound and feel to sample chopping effects like stopped
releaseparts of a cymbal to the physical phenomenon of aliasing.
But no one could relate to what I was talking about.
That's why I
started producing an "anti-sample-proof" with the suggested breaks and
posted it here to proof my point and make it relateable to those legends. This ultimately led me to start doing the opposite.
Namely to produce and post “sample-proof-audios” that proof that a sample source is really the right source in such discussions.
This in turn led me a couple of years later to Timon “Bronco” Heinke. He
postet the source for the Moob Deep - Shook Ones Pt. II sample on The
Breaks.com forum, and a lot of people didnt believed him there, and here too.
"Naaahhh, I cant hear that......." :BS: And again a new discussion broke out.
Thats when I produced the "sample-proof-audio" for that Herbie Hancock
Jessica sample and posted it here on Soulstrut. Then someone ripped it
and put it on YouTube, and then DJ Jazz Jeff downloaded it and started
playing it at parties. Until Questlove stood at a party next to him and heard for the first
time in his life the original source of Shook Ones Pt. II. And he went
crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuQxjnQWNdo
DJ Premier did the same thing as Jazzy Jeff at live concerts and audiences around the world went nuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RjDtLfC1Q&ab_channel=jaybpaid
And DJ Nick Bike went one step further. He completely recreated my
"sample-proof-audio" and released it on his Chosen Spokes series on Vol.
4. He pressed it onto a 45 as a DJ tool.
https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?height=314&href=https://www.facebook.com/djnickbike/videos/1140862199267979/&show_text=false&width=560&t=0
Since the "sample-proof-audio"
only existed digitally, DJs could not use it in a 45 Only DJ set. :sonecessary:
Love the level of nerdism.
By the way DJ Nick, you never sent me one of the 45s, not even when I
contacted you. Here's your chance to catch up, hit me on Instagram or
Facebook and send me a record dude. https://www.instagram.com/falkschacht/
I'm not here to front. I haven't posted here for a long time, and I
don't know who's posting here today. But I want to say thank you.
Thanks to Raj and people like him who, out of love for a cause, open
something like this forum and keep it alive. And thanks to the global
community of record and sample diggas. We nerds are always thought of as
strange. But without us, humanity would still be sitting in caves
today.
We found the exit.
And now we find samples and beats, simply because we feel like it. And
because of something as ridiculous as asking for a drum sample, I
started building this audio proofs, and it becomes such a global thing
and so many people can relate to it. That's the beauty of being a nerd
and the things we strange people do.
Thanks to all people who postet here the last 26 years
P.S:
DJ Nick, send me the 45 dude!
nice arc, Hawkeye!
semi-r, i saw Kool Keith rip it in Toronto a few nights ago on his 40th anniversay tour. he's 61 and it was INCREDIBLE afaic - did most of the classics i was hoping to hear and went off the dome for long stetches.... just hilarious. at the end of the show, he was signing anything/everything (some guy got his wallet signed) and i surely could have asked him this question.
semi-r, i saw Kool Keith rip it in Toronto a few nights ago on his 40th anniversay tour. he's 61 and it was INCREDIBLE afaic - did most of the classics i was hoping to hear and went off the dome for long stetches.... just hilarious. at the end of the show, he was signing anything/everything (some guy got his wallet signed) and i surely could have asked him this question.
Similar threads
