VNYL IS PRETTY MUCH A COMPLETE SCAM

[RAJ]

G-Writah said:crabmongerfunk said:G-Writah said:Who is placing bets that crabmongerfunk signed up for the service?




you'd lose that bet. i was skeptical in the extreme from the jump. record scams like this annoy me i guess and so do rank sociopaths like the disingenuous head dude, but what bothers me much more is that all these major news outlets touted this bullshit without even asking basic, key questions or doing any sort of due diligence or research and now they are slinking away like nothing happened.




Calm down buddy. The idea wasn't a bad one. Stuff happens when getting a start-up off the ground. That's what Kickstarter is for. If you want a solid, for sure, concrete business model, go to Wal-Mart.








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[Grafwritah]

I've seen the pics, and yes, anyone with any knowledge of anything should be embarrassed to send out even one Glenn Miller record. I personally am waiting for a pic of someone holding a Firestone Christmas album (#danceparty).





Good idea? Yes. Execution? Poor.





I'm kind of curious how they had planned to source enough non-dollar bin records to fulfill their plan. Even at 777 people, if they were sending out 3 records per month to each member they would need to source nearly 28,000 records per year. I'm sure this project was much more feasible when they were assuming a large quantity would be returned and sent out again.





Then for people to not feed swindled, they would need to be sending 3 records per month worth at least $24 retail to each person, while still being able to get them for wholesale plus cover (bulk) shipping.





It would seem that a combination of those factors above plus the human curating part would make it very difficult to maintain much of a margin without sending out dollar bin raers.

 

[fishmongerfunk]

G-Writah said:


Calm down buddy. The idea wasn't a bad one. Stuff happens when getting a start-up off the ground. That's what Kickstarter is for. If you want a solid, for sure, concrete business model, go to Wal-Mart.




Buddy, the idea was ultra bad (and convoluted) and it was an obvious scam from the git go. the fact that they failed to even do their homework is besides the point. for $25.00 a month they are sending out barabara streisand, k-tel comps, acker bilk and pablo cruise with disingenuous, manipulative personal notes. i don't blame kickstarter, i blame this dude and the media rubes who went all-in on the basis of some bullshit buzzwords and vague representations. the way he he has evaded the questions and charmed his way through this scam is impressive (as if he doesn't know he is ripping people off by sending them shit records that have nothing to do with their tastes). as sociopaths go, this guy is textbook.

 

[Grafwritah]

crabmongerfunk said:G-Writah said:


Calm down buddy. The idea wasn't a bad one. Stuff happens when getting a start-up off the ground. That's what Kickstarter is for. If you want a solid, for sure, concrete business model, go to Wal-Mart.




Buddy, the idea was ultra bad (and convoluted) and it was an obvious scam from the git go. the fact that they failed to even do their homework is besides the point. for $25.00 a month they are sending out barabara streisand, k-tel comps, acker bilk and pablo cruise with disingenuous, manipulative personal notes. i don't blame kickstarter, i blame this dude and the media rubes who went all-in on the basis of some bullshit buzzwords and vague representations. the way he he has evaded the questions and charmed his way through this scam is impressive (as if he doesn't know he is ripping people off by sending them shit records that have nothing to do with their tastes). as sociopaths go, this guy is textbook.




If the idea was ultra bad they wouldn't have been able to call it the Netflix of vinyl. Since we have a multi-million dollar company already doing something fairly similar (and successfully, at that) that alone is enough to make it not "ultra bad" as far as ideas go.





So it ended up being a steaming mess. I'm not understanding your next level, four-posts-talking-to-yourself-before-anyone-else-posted thread, over the top conspiracy theory sand-panties madness about it. It ended up sucking, so what. So he did a Kickstarter to get it going... so what. Plenty of Kickstarters fail. Plenty of start-ups end up being crap. The market will speak, people will cancel their memberships and/or not sign up at all. I don't understand your little guy excitement over something you didn't even sign up for.





New Coke = sociopath

 

[fishmongerfunk]

man, are you ever a rube. you want to start making any more bets?

 

[Grafwritah]

crabmongerfunk said:man, are you ever a rube.




Yes, because I don't roll all over the floor about some minor business launch that failed. Oh noes, he raised $30k on Kickstarter. He could be driving a used Honda Accord right now with his ill gotten gains. What a master schemer. Next Madoff.





If you want to toss around terms like sociopath and get all heated about the injustice of it all, go after someone who rips off orphans or scams old people in the name of charity. Some guy that gets a bunch of free press and raises money via platform used to raise money for speculative ventures and then actually rolls out the speculative venture... and it sucks... wtf? It's a shitty service, the end. Welcome to the world of commerce.





I'm not making any more bets, mainly because it blows my mind someone would waste so much time complaining about a service they didn't even use.

 

[parallax]

Who is placing bets that G-Writah is Nick Alt?

 

[Okem]

Nobody, dude has been on the board since the early days.





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There are other vinyl subscription services out there that are legit enough, and 'record clubs' have been around almost as long as lps. In principle the idea is sound, it's just dudes running this one are clearly clueless.


What they're offering isn't a lot different from how parts of the secondhand record business works already, they just tried to offer it on the large scale. Plenty of djs have people who shop for them or private dealers who operate in a similar way. But that shit takes time and a lot of work to put together, you have to build up stock and then constantly replenish it with similar quality. If these VNYL dudes had done that, it may have worked, but in this day and age sourcing enough quality stock to make a large venture like this possible and for the low price point they're aiming for, it never really stood a chance. But go back 10 years or so, if someone on here with taste I trusted offered me a similar service that promised to send me 3 reasonable soul/funk 45s a month $25, I would've thought it was a great idea.

 

[dukeofdelridge]

Frank's thoughts, please.

 

[LaserWolf]

I'm with CMF on this one.


CMF called the dude out when this was in the kickstarter phase. Think it's in the AOR thread.





"In principle the idea is sound, it's just dudes running this one are clearly clueless."


No.


In principle the idea is bogus. The dudes running this one are clearly scamming.

 

[vintageinfants]

is this or is this not the "VYNLST" project that was propped here a year ago?

 

[white_tea]

The Netflix of records...





How about the Amazon Prime of records, where you purchase an album you want and it arrives in a few days after you've already paid an annual rate for speedy shipping? Oh, wait...





But, really, think you guys are missing the point. What if it worked? And all of the sudden, we had these guys in every city, buying up all the C.H.U.D. to spread it out evenly across the world for paying customers who actually... wanted it? Could've been a game changer.

 

[parallax]

Okem said:Nobody, dude has been on the board since the early days.





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Yeah, I know Graf Writah's been around for a long time.





It was a tongue-in-cheek poke referencing his earlier comment on Strutters placing bets that Crab is a subscriber to the service.





All good.

 

[parallax]

vintageinfants said:is this or is this not the "VYNLST" project that was propped here a year ago?




Not the same.





VYNLST dude (name is Osandi, I think?) wanted to launch a discogs-type app and also sold accessories (45 adapters, wooden crates, etc.)





VYNL dude is Nick Alt.

 

[Grafwritah]

white_tea said:The Netflix of records...





How about the Amazon Prime of records, where you purchase an album you want and it arrives in a few days after you've already paid an annual rate for speedy shipping? Oh, wait...





But, really, think you guys are missing the point. What if it worked? And all of the sudden, we had these guys in every city, buying up all the C.H.U.D. to spread it out evenly across the world for paying customers who actually... wanted it? Could've been a game changer.




I've been stockpiling copies of Vaughn Meader's The First Family for a decade now, plotting and waiting.

 

[LaserWolf]

 

[Rishan]

G-Writah said:crabmongerfunk said:man, are you ever a rube.




Yes, because I don't roll all over the floor about some minor business launch that failed. Oh noes, he raised $30k on Kickstarter. He could be driving a used Honda Accord right now with his ill gotten gains. What a master schemer. Next Madoff.





If you want to toss around terms like sociopath and get all heated about the injustice of it all, go after someone who rips off orphans or scams old people in the name of charity. Some guy that gets a bunch of free press and raises money via platform used to raise money for speculative ventures and then actually rolls out the speculative venture... and it sucks... wtf? It's a shitty service, the end. Welcome to the world of commerce.





I'm not making any more bets, mainly because it blows my mind someone would waste so much time complaining about a service they didn't even use.







'Man complains about something on the Internet'





More at 11.





Honestly, this thing deserves the vitriol being directed towards it. Absolute trendy bandwagon shite, run by and used by complete morons.

 

[DB_Cooper]

crabmongerfunk said: for $25.00 a month they are sending out barabara streisand, k-tel comps, acker bilk and pablo cruise with disingenuous, manipulative personal notes




That's...genius, actually? Trolling by mail. I'm kinda into that.

 

[vintageinfants]

am i the only one who's been saying VNYL like "denial" in my head this whole time?

 

[sticky_dojah]

vintageinfants said:am i the only one who's been saying VNYL like "denial" in my head this whole time?




haha. good one. Went to their store. Was shocked by the verbal use of "hashtags" thrown at me. Felt like a weird extension of Urban Outfitters. Stepped out backwards immediately after staring at a 12$ priced dollarbin record for too long. Everything Venial is wrong on many levels. Bonus: One of the "pro's" listed outside of the store on a wall was: "not owned by jay-z".