WHEN DOES THE NEW SEASON OF WIRE START?

I don't disagree with your read but at the end of the season, I think that "brooding" vs "boring" equation ended up tipping to the latter for me. Like I said, it's not like I disliked his character but I just found him uncompelling though that scene where he's play-shooting with Chris and Snoop in the factory was pretty sick.

I guess I am interested to see where they take him in Season 5. Actually, I'm interested to see how many of the S4 kids will make it back into S5.




I also thought Mikey's descent into evil was kind of weak...I never really "bought it" and I personally don't want to see him back in Season 5 though I assume he probably will have to be.
Why?

Aside from the traditional "have you ever known a kid who descended into 'the game'" questions, is there some criticism of the way the show portrayed it?

I felt Michael's issues were by far the most complex and gripping. As he emerged as the leader of his crew I found myself feeling a little more confident that some of them might live to tell the tale.
JP - it's not that I found the narrative weak or unbelievable...I didn't think Mike "sold it" in terms of the performance. That might have been a limitation in the acting or how the character was sketched out but his impassivity made it hard for me to really get a sense of the complexity you speak of.
I don't know if I agree with that. The kid is 13, and a ball of fucked up emotions. You can see him lose it when he smacks up Namond, when he yells about Prezbo and Cutty ("everyone just wants to be too fucking friendly!") and as Dookie watches him gettin' his. But for the most part he is moody and into his own thoughts. I felt his performance was amazing - it's hard to pull off "brooding" without giving us "boring".

You know what wouldn't be believable, is if he turned into some outrageous corner combination of Bodie and Kenard.

The basic point his character is trying to illustrate is how the neighborhood and 'the game' take the fun and the overall emotion *out* of growing up. By the end of the season he can barely afford - or even summon the effort - to show much emotion.

I saw it all as being intentional, and well-done.
 
I've been thinking about this lately, do the stories of McNulty and Dennis 'Cutty' Wise represent characters who have reformed to a positive outcome? Are these presented as small victories to counteract the crushing pall of defeat that hangs over the other characters?
yeah I'd say to a certain extent this is true.

still, the victories are incomplete. Cutty was unable to save Mikey, who seemed to hold the most promise (at least from Cutty's perspective), nor Spyder.

and while McNulty seems to have found some peace (good woman and no drinking), the scene where his ex comes to pick up the boys while he is having dinner with Bunk and his kids is a reminder that McNulty's redemption is not that tidy (he leaves behind an ex who is incomplete without him). not to mention he rejoins the major crimes unit at the end of S4, and the question remains whether it will take him under again or not.
 
That Bunk scene is one of THE funniest scenes I have ever seen! "Do you smell pussy?"
CLASSIC MATERIAL.

As was the "fuckity fuck fuck" crime investigation from S1.



this scene was a monster.
 
Michael takes over, becomes lieutenant in Stanfield organization
Dookie is his right hand man
Namond escapes the madness.

The big question is Randy. Will Michael look out for his boy? Will his rep as a snitch be too much to defend?
 
The basic point his character is trying to illustrate is how the neighborhood and 'the game' take the fun and the overall emotion *out* of growing up. By the end of the season he can barely afford - or even summon the effort - to show much emotion.

I saw it all as being intentional, and well-done.
I agree. But also, i felt it was another example of the wire going against the obvious. If you were going to write a character, a young black male, who's becoming a street thug, it would be so easy to pick on certain characteristics, for the 'type' of people who get into the life, you'd probalby go for someone like Namond. Not the shy, quite, interlectual Michael.
 
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Growing up, kids like Namond were never the serious thugs. Dudes like that played some ball and talked to the girls. I think their choice to make the troubled, brooding cat the gangster as opposed to the pretty, rebellious dude was, as McNulty might say, "Spot On."
 
May I also add: one of my favorite scenes ever:
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character, but I'll be damned if Omar isn't one of the illest characters ever brought to (big or small) screen.
 
Growing up, kids like Namond were never the serious thugs. Dudes like that played some ball and talked to the girls, and became studio gangsters
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin.
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.
I SAID HARPER'S!!!
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin.
No, just because you said you didn't like him (I happened to love this character)
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin.
No, just because you said you didn't like him (I happened to love this character)

simple difference of opinion revealed
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.

haha I'd say that distinction goes to the Bunk. Muzone had the periodicals locked down, but Bunk was/is well versed in the great works.
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.

haha I'd say that distinction goes to the Bunk. Muzone had the periodicals locked down, but Bunk was/is well versed in the great works.
"They (the Greeks) also invented ass fucking" related
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.

haha I'd say that distinction goes to the Bunk. Muzone had the periodicals locked down, but Bunk was/is well versed in the great works.
and all state lacrosse player.
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.

haha I'd say that distinction goes to the Bunk. Muzone had the periodicals locked down, but Bunk was/is well versed in the great works.
and all state lacrosse player.
Who played against Omar.
 
I never much cared for Brother Muzone's character
Prejudice against the Nation Of Islam revealed
lol prejudice by whom, the Wire writers? I'm not the one that chose to portray the only NOI member in the series as a cold-blooded assasin the most well-read character on the show.

haha I'd say that distinction goes to the Bunk. Muzone had the periodicals locked down, but Bunk was/is well versed in the great works.
and all state lacrosse player.
Who played against Omar.
i thought it was against omars older brother? either way, bunks one of my favorite characters, the scene where he shows up in a sweatsuit was funny as all hell.
 
Man I SLEPT on that $25 season one DVD deal from a while back, I'm mad doggies. I really want to go back and watch everything from the beginning again. I think I watched it all too fast (all four seasons in a couple months) and parts of it are escaping my memory.