Can we get a consensus on Phish?

<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121Ha, sorry, not up on the current shitty jam bands, if there are any.
 
the best thing about Phish was being able to buy all the Nitrous balloons and liquid acid you wanted, but that was 6 years ago. I'm 30 now and have no need for those guys , not to mention most of the people that go to see them haven't taken a shower since the last time it rained and the chicks have hairy underarms.<b,121<b,121 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ehhzu7.gif" alt="" /1<b,121<b,121i know people that left career jobs to follow those fools around. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/weaksauce.gif" alt="" /1
 
There is serious talent there as far as playing ability goes, as is the same with most jam bands.<b,121<b,121I spend probably much too much time at festivals or in hippy circuits and I always wonder to myself what it would be like if these dudes were forced to put a song together for a 45. Some hard ass producer gets on their ass, you got 3:50 long hairs!<b,121<b,121I loved the grateful dead before they started spending 30 minutes of every song twiddling their wa wa's.<b,121<b,121Garcia and Grisham tapes are a whole other story. I ride completely.
 
<b,121<b,121grabbed an bootleg I had of them (the only) and pressed record on audacity for a minute, 11.25.92 Kenswich Theatre;<b,121<b,121 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/595.gif" alt="" /1 <a href="http://www.divshare.com/download/5501685-b18" target="_blank"1DivShare File - kenswick theatre.wav</a1
 
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<font class="small"1Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121There is serious talent there as far as playing ability goes, as is the same with most jam bands.<b,121<b,121<h,121
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121but that dont mean shit when the songs suck<b,121<b,121just because they CAN doesnt mean they SHOULD
 
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<font class="small"1Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121just because they CAN doesnt mean they SHOULD <b,121<b,121<h,121
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121<b,121Unfortunately isn't that the motto of the Me generation? If you want to hear a good jam band throw on "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" off the Allman's Live at Fillmore East LP. Ten Beautiful minutes of music, not 4 hrs of crap.
 
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121Sorry, never got into the Allmans, either.<b,121<b,121Jamming is good on funk records, because there's always a groove, but in straight-up rock? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/weaksauce.gif" alt="" /1 Even Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley, on that one album they did together, couldn't pull it off.<b,121<b,121This is one of the few "jamming" rock albums I can ride for, and even then the playing is rooted in real songs:<b,121<b,121<img src="http://www.connollyco.com/discography/stephen_stills/super_hi.jpg"1
 
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<font class="small"1Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121Pharoah Sanders could Jam <b,121<b,121<h,121
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121Alot of artists can "Jam", but somewhere in the 80's the idea/culture of jam bands seem to be more about being in the circuit vs enjoying the music.<b,121<b,121Cats leaving their job to follow a band seems to be more of a lifestyle thang vs I wanna hear the music done live at different venues.<b,121<b,121Feel free to think its all about the music, but all those Smooth Jazz festival fans dont leave thier jobs, wear costumes, or submerge themselves too far.<b,121<b,121I always though Phish was for kids that missed the Grateful Dead boat.
 
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<font class="small"1Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121 those Smooth Jazz festival fans dont leave thier jobs, wear costumes, or submerge themselves too far.<b,121<b,121<h,121
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121Sun Ra could Jam
 
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<font class="small"1Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121<b,121<b,121I always though Phish was for kids that missed the Grateful Dead boat. <b,121<b,121<h,121
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121weren't the Dead still around when Phish first showed up?
 
eddie harris, sonny rollins, john coltrane, and james brown were known to jam too. i can get with that.<b,121<b,121b/w i think it's unfair to say that phish sucks. you may not like their music (understandable for sure). BUT- to say that they suck is to imply that they cannot play their instruments well- which is false unless you are talking about singing.
 
<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121<b,121Yes, and toward the end there was a lot of crowd crossover, i.e. parking lot rats who were more interested in doing whip-its than the music itself.