Deep Web

[Nabozo]

JefDam said:I did the same and ended up finding a story about a guy who makes real-live sex dolls out of orphans. Probably bullshit but a very, very disturbing read all the same.





Be prepared to not feel quite right for the rest of the day.





http://imgur.com/r/creepy/Niw81




I saw this a while ago on a french forum, it must have circulated a lot, from the few lines I read it reads like a horror fic from a 16 years old, the evil scientist cheap vibe, the demonstrative "I explain you what I do and tell you I like it".


There can't be much interesting activity on the deep web anyway if less than 1% people have access to it. I mean, the rest is actively trying to run this web thing and capitalize it on wall street and the best thing we have after 20 years is fucking facebook and its clones and a couple forums.


And how many evil people know how to use Tor or can care to try? Illegal activity my ass, you can buy guns and drugs at every corner but people freak out about the deep web cause of, you know, science-fiction, underworld, conspiracy, the jews. Oh, and it's deep.

 

[Okem]

I assure you that deep web and things like Tor are a very real problem for intelligence and law enforcement agencies - http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/tor-high-secure-internet-anonymity


It's the strength of that anonimity that's given deep web this car crash appeal, because it offers some seriously fucked up people the immunity to talk openly.





It's also full of kneckbeards, computer science geeks, hackers and hacktivists, file traders, wikileaks types, conspiracy nuts and people who just really want to be anon.





But I find it hard to believe it's so much larger than the surface web. I imagine a fair amount of the masses of information accounted for in deep web are dead and inaccessible websites. All those early 90s homemade websites, long abandoned blogs etc that are no longer compatible or indexable. That and a shit ton of porn.

 

[Flomotion]

PatrickCrazy said:you people are sounding like grandpas going HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS FACEBOOK THING SONNY




This is evolving at a phenomenal rate. Dodgy hidden web networks and content have been around since Usenet days but this is a whole new level of sophistication and scope - the game is changing radically almost on a daily basis. The line between web and dark web (the underweb, as a friend calls it) is pretty blurred now that anyone with a browser can access this shit from a million links and be reasonably sure of anonymity. That said, the iceberg analogy that 90% of web content is hidden is stupid.

 

[Rockadelic]

It's a trick

 

[Frank]

ok I have to admit that this whole thing kind of intrigued me a bit on some real-life Videodrome level... After a bit of research and applying common sense I came to the following personal conclusion: The iceberg graphic is obviously bullshit, "location of Atlantis" was a good laugh but seriously, Mengele successes? And who would want to lend any credibility to some chart that uses the word faggot and gives the impression that it was put together by some socially handicapped highschool kid? The graphic also has been posted as far back as 2011 so that's how rapidly evolving this Deep Web thing is? Who would want to use it? Obviously people who want to do transactions or have data exchanges that nobody should find out about which most likely will be limited to pedophiles, low level and bogus drug dealers and an overwhelming amount of imposters and scam artists. I didn't feel like wasting the time and effort to download Tor and look at this shit myself but I don't believe any of the more outrageous non-narco and non-pedo related stuff is for real. Assassins for hire? Yeah I'm sure you'll find people offering their services but the victim will be the person stupid enough to pay them much rather than the would-be target of the assassination. Who is stupid enough to believe for a minute that credit card fraudsters would sell valid credit card information for a few bucks? Why? Because they have cloned too many cards and don't know what to do with them anymore? How stupid can you get? I'm even suspicious about those amazon equivalents for drugs. I mean if you're such a loser that you have to resort to the internet to get your shit then you're probably not much likely to admit having been ripped off your Bitcoins but rather boast to your (cyber-) buddies about having scored drugs online. These bug catcher forums about willfully spreading and contracting hiv are obviously all closet phantasies of some sorry kids who have nothing to get off on other than their poorly developed, self-loathing phantasies. So 80-90% of the web is on the deep web? 80-90% of what? One "ultimate guide to the deep web" I came across mentioned that after some big busts about a year to half a year ago when they shut down Silk Road and parts of the Bitpay operation about 50% of the deep web was dead. That would be 40% of all data volume available online? It's all pretty laughable bullshit. Many of the things you encounter in real life aren't what they claim to be. Multiply this by x when you're surfing the shallow web. Why would anybody want to go further than that to where anybody can claim whatever they want because nothing's traceable and everybody's perfectly anonymous?





I'll much rather wait and see what the mayor of Toronto is up to today. That's way more entertaining and has a much better outrageousness/realness ratio.

 

[Frank]

Rockadelic said:It's a trick




Great minds think alike... only that I was stupid enough to type a bunch of nonsense trying to make the same point.

 

[Okem]

For something like Tor to be able to run you need have some pretty expensive relays that can handle a lot of traffic running 24/7, so it's assumed that at least some of them are run by the security services. But even with those they struggle to 'catch' individuals using it. The people who really don't want to get caught combine several forms of incredibly sophisticated anonymising and encrypting software making them near impossible to identify. So, there will always be people who then act with impunity, and for NSA or GCHQ to go to the lengths they do to monitor it, with fairly little success, we can assume that it's a fairly serious problem.





It's not news that there's a kind of 'cyber underworld' (lols) and has been since people started using the internet. Once e-commerce took off and the real underworld connected with the hacker world, things like Tor became indispensable. If you're interested there are books written by hackers who've run criminal enterprises, got busted and turned security analyst. But if a hacker sells credit card information to criminal, who turns around with the classic I'll give you 10,000 cash or the equivalent in drugs that you can flip for a profit, which is useless to most hackers cause they don't have the real world network to move the drugs on, but what they do have is this anon network full of like minded individuals and a knowledge of e-commerce. So criminal activity expands on the internet through forces of economics in they same way it does in the real world. It's no great leap to go from hacked credit card details to tech savvy people involved in serious crime seeing the benefit of a completely anonymous system and extending it's use to their other money making avenues.





Of coarse it's not all real though.

 

[serch4beatz]

Frank said:-snip-

It's a pic that was created by some person that frequents 4chan's /g/ - technology board and subsequently posted there, thus the free use of words like "faggot" etc. The pic is just a shitty trolling attempt where one put too much effort into it.

 

[volumen]

I've looked at it and it's basically like Frank said. It's just a hiding spot for people doing things that require avoiding law enforcement. There isn't anything there that you can't find on the regular web. Plenty of sites claim to know where Atlantis is. And the only reason I need anonymity for that is so I don't look like a dork.





There is a ton of volume in the deep web because a ton of people are into illegal downloads and money transfers, hacking, drugs, murder, theft and morally reprehensible porn. I'm pretty sure there is no site there with all the rarest secret squirrels records in high grade MP3s. Until then, I'm not interested.

 

[volumen]

Okem said:





But I find it hard to believe it's so much larger than the surface web. I imagine a fair amount of the masses of information accounted for in deep web are dead and inaccessible websites. All those early 90s homemade websites, long abandoned blogs etc that are no longer compatible or indexable. That and a shit ton of porn.




This is so true. I don't know if people realize that so many of those dead sites are still sitting out there occupying space. There are also tons of pages that are just code for a regular site but written to not be found by Google etc. You would even give a crap if you saw one of those. A least half the deep web is just an electronic file cabinet that is not exciting in the least. Oh yea, and a shit ton of porn.





Fun fact, the one music site I thought I found ended up being some insane revolutionary extremist propaganda and not the it's so bad it's funny kind. I couldn't shut the computer down fast enough. Watch yourself.

 

[vintageinfants]

 

[LazarusOblong]

You can't get any deepier or webbier than the morons at:





http://www.infowars.com/

 

[mrmatthew]

You should just let this guy explain it all for you in a most excellent manner:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexwinter/deep-web-the-untold-story-of-bitcoin-and-the-silk

 

[DOR]

mrmatthew said:You should just let this guy explain it all for you in a most excellent manner:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexwinter/deep-web-the-untold-story-of-bitcoin-and-the-silk




He did a great AMA today.





http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1rfijj/hey_alex_winter_of_bill_ted_here_directing_a_new/

 

[vintageinfants]

is the fact that deep web is predicated on having to run thousands of processes for one single command what makes it so much larger than 'our' internet? if so, that's pretty fuckin' lame.

 

[soundsreal]

Funny story - the waxidermy message board, not the main page but the message board, is technically deepweb, as it's contents are unlinkable directly from a search engine.