dumbest diatribe ever, by mc serch

Who is Serch being racist against? White people? A white dude being racist against other white dudes?

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Who is Sage Francis? Doesn't he run a message board and didn't he give the homie teh BAN because they didn't show up to his bunk show?

Is this some dude who made underground tapes and is still trying to piece together a rap career?
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This is like some "had to be there" schitt, huh.
 
This is...
all pretty ridiculous.

This is what I think Serch is trying to say. Let's look at like this:

Serch came up doing shows at Latin Quarter, Red Parrot etc with 99.9% black crowds and earned respect as a white dude making black music.
Now you have dudes doing the same thing in front of an all white audience. You see the difference here? You need to earn respect from the people whose music, art and culture you are partaking in, otherwise you are perpetrating.
 
This is...
all pretty ridiculous.

This is what I think Serch is trying to say. Let's look at like this:

Serch came up doing shows at Latin Quarter, Red Parrot etc with 99.9% black crowds and earned respect as a white dude making black music.
Now you have dudes doing the same thing in front of an all white audience. You see the difference here? You need to earn respect from the people whose music, art and culture you are partaking in, otherwise you are perpetrating.
Yo,

To add on, wouldn't the same argument apply to Charley Pride at the Grand Ole' Opry? If a White guy can win over the brothers on the mic, then indeed cat is tight.

Peace,

Big Stacks from Kakalak
 
i remember the first time i saw serch
before he even said werd one i was laughing at him and his fade and glasses

but by the end of the song i had to accept the fact that he was on point and had big balls

serch's wife is black and he is jewish so get in the blender bitchez

in spite of his blunt azz reactionary/confrontational approach to life [which i can relate to]
if he never did anything but illmatic he is redeemed and remembered forever as true grit and soul from nyc
 
What did Sage Francis do?
Beef with MC Paul Barman.

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really?

I NEED TO HEAR SOME PAUL BARMAN/ SAGE FRANCIS BEEF TRACKS STAT!
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C'mon now! Beef tracks are so "local minority experience." This escalated to the level of "unbelievably whiny message board posting." Sage sure was pissed Barman's manager didn't hook up the free show passes!
 
emil is preparing a 9 page essay in response to the initial post
Not really. My only response is this:

As hard to read as Serch's post is (he's not very elegant and doesn't make a very convincing argument), I don't think it's at all ridiculous to suggest that white people doing urban black music should put a little bit of effort forth into trying to appeal to an urban black audience.

I think it's funny that people are getting so ass-hurt about this shit like it's threatening their very existence or something.

Calling this shit "racist against white folks" is silliness.

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Instead of asking who is Sage Francis and what Serch did more for HipHop and that he had classic records you should try to understand what both are saying. The arguments are counting.

When I read Serch text I thought I can understand what he is saying. If you know his history and what he did to get some pieces of knowledge about HipHop I totaly can understand his point.

Back than you couldnt get on the internet and hit google and you immediatly had acces to the hood dictionary to ask what a "8 ball" is or what "def" or "word to the mother" meant.

At the same time I can understand what Sage is saying because the way Serch made his point clear was a little bit over the top. Times has changed and the knowledge is no longer exlcusive to the hood.

I bet that at the end if you put these two guys in one room they will come out saying that they both think the same.

Classic internet beef, you guys here know this shit perfectly or not ???


Peace
Hawkeye
 
emil is preparing a 9 page essay in response to the initial post
Not really. My only response is this:

As hard to read as Serch's post is (he's not very elegant and doesn't make a very convincing argument), I don't think it's at all ridiculous to suggest that white people doing urban black music should put a little bit of effort forth into trying to appeal to an urban black audience.

I think it's funny that people are getting so ass-hurt about this shit like it's threatening their very existence or something.

Calling this shit "racist against white folks" is silliness.

-e

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I guess I think as a musician or performer you should create something that you believe in and that is true to YOU, without worrying about the racial makeup of the people that come to see you.

The whole thing just kinda sounds like some old school dude that can't figure out that the game has changed over the past 20 years, but if anything to me it seemed racist against black folks. "Black people built this culture, so go find a black person that thinks you're good and NOW you're a rapper"...huh? That'd be like if some black dude came up to me on the street with a violin and played some Tchaikovsky to me, looking for my approval so he could call himself a classical musician. Get out of here with that bullshit.
 
"Black people built this culture, so go find a black person that thinks you're good and NOW you're a rapper"...huh? That'd be like if some black dude came up to me on the street with a violin and played some Tchaikovsky to me, looking for my approval so he could call himself a classical musician. Get out of here with that bullshit.
No it wouldn't. You're analogy would work if hip-hop was only about rhyming words. If thats how you define it, then i guess your right. however, i think most would agree that rap music encompasses black urban culture, just like reggae encompasses jamaican culture.

Serch was a little sloppy but sage francis needs to get a hobby. Dude was promoting a tv show, not writing an essay on hip hop. i don't care how many undergound people are feeling him, Serch has done more for rap music than any other white rapper.
 
so if you're a reggae artist in America, you aren't REALLY until you go tour Jamaica and get one (or however many people artibrarily have to like you for it to "count) Jamaican(s) to say they dig your shit?
 
To put Serch's point in more of a practical context...here in Austin the city is essentially split by a highway into the white west side of town and the black and Mexican east side of town. On the west side of town is 6th Street, the city's world famous forum backing its claim as the "Live Music Capital of the World". Nowadays on 6th Street blatant racism against blacks (and Mexicans for that matter) has gone the institutional route. Promoters aren't trying to book the quality venues with a Z-Ro or Trae for they know that such shows would attract what they consider an undesirable audience. Then of course there are selective dress codes enforced at clubs as a means to keep certain people out as well.

Anyway, if you are a rap artist that caters to a primarily white audience...and that runs the gamut from Atmosphere and to even a De La Soul or Rakim...you are more than welcome to do a show on 6th Street. And what this has caused is a little subculture of local opening acts that not only gets added to the line-up of these shows on the regular, but has produced its own set of promoters who have basically been given the keys to certain clubs to do what they will with them. And their products as of yet have been the same white-oriented rap groups with no community following whatsoever being put on instead of local black-oriented groups with massive community followings. And if it wasn't bad enough that what essentially adds up to job discrimination persist like that, the little white dudes who are consistently doing 6th Street shows get big heads and start wielding that oh-so-tired we're-keepin'-it-real-with-all-4-elements-of-hip-hop-culture bullshit as a rationale for why they've got it so good.

No, little dudes, it's racism and pretty much racism alone that has made you a performing rapper. You do shows in large rooms, yet if there isn't a big name headlining, no one shows up. And when you do open for a big name, no one really cares if you are there with them or not. Meanwhile, if you were to go over to the Eastside and try to do a show at Doris Miller or even the Back Room, you just might get your ass kicked.

That's not to say that you shouldn't be in the lab trying to come tighter. It's to say that you need to recognize the circumstances surrounding your little rap career and if you are really down for hip-hop immediately stop gloating about the way that white privilege has pumped your ego and start working on knocking down those racist walls that award you but penalize your not-so-distant black (and Mexican) cohorts.
 
so if you're a reggae artist in America, you aren't REALLY until you go tour Jamaica and get one (or however many people artibrarily have to like you for it to "count) Jamaican(s) to say they dig your shit?
there are jamaicans in america
 
If a white dude goes to a club on the Eastside he may get his ass kicked.

And the club owners on the Westside don't want any ass kicking going on in their clubs.

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If a white dude goes to a club on the Eastside he may get his ass kicked.

And the club owners on the Westside don't want any ass kicking going on in their clubs.

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No, a pompous white rapper gased off of previously opening for Rakim on 6th Street, talking about how only he is keepin' it real might get his ass kicked on the Eastside.

And 6th Street club owners certainly see no problem with asskickings going down in their clubs...just as long as it's by bouncers and/or cops.

That's reality.