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The Chicago Drop hopes to fuse raw energy, hip-hop pulse

June 27, 2005

BY DAVID JAKUBIAK Advertisement






Think of hip-hop and you likely think of programmed beats and electronic backing tracks. But live instrumentation has been a subtle force in hip-hop for more than a decade, from the acid-jazz movement of the early 1990s, to the emergence of the Roots and the more recent trend of artists such as Snoop Dogg and Big Boi of OutKast taking bands with them on the road. Now, a group of Chicago musicians wants to make these sounds synonymous with the sound of Chicago.

Eight local hip-hop bands have banded together, hoping to spark a movement that fuses the raw energy of garage bands with the addictive pulse of hip-hop. Together, they're called the Chicago Drop, representing almost 50 musicians and MCs.

And suddenly, they've got a lot going on. In February, they released a collaborative self-titled CD, which led to the creation of their own record label and a series of shows at the Note. They're developing an Internet radio show they'll stream on their Web site (thechicagodrop.com). They meet at least once every two weeks to discuss ways they can help each other through promotions, joint performances and making sure any club dates by bands in the collective are packed to the rafters.

"It started off with the CD, and that was so successful that we felt like we had to keep rolling with it," says Cary Kanno, guitarist for the band Abstract Giants, and one of the collective's organizers. "Our goal is to generate a scene and have this be another genre that could rise up out of Chicago."

Sonically, the groups in the Drop merge elements ranging from funk and soul to rock, reggae and salsa with the driving rhythms of hip-hop -- but played more with real instruments than synthesizers and drum machines. Individually, some of the groups, like Small Change, have a more straight hip-hop sound, while others, like Planets Audible, seem to be more an outgrowth of rock. Lyrically, all of the bands tend toward socially conscious lyrics rather than the thugged-out, diamond-studded wordplay that dominates mainstream rap.

But they share one goal. "We want to create a scene. We want to make this grow into a movement," Kanno pledges.

The early prognosis for such a movement seems good. Kanno's band just headlined a show at Metro during MOBfest, the annual Chicago showcase that helped propel bands like the Killers and Disturbed onto the national scene. Recently Treologic, another band in the Drop, beat out more than 600 bands to win the Disc Makers Independent Music World Series of the Midwest, which included $35,000 in prizes. Local music listings consistently find the Drop bands playing venues as diverse as the legendary roots-rock spot Fitzgerald's and the hip North Side spot Subterranean, even playing clubs that normally don't book hip-hop, like Schubas.

Schubas talent buyer Matt Rucins explains the appeal of a large live-instrumentation band: "We're a small venue. If you just have one or two people up there, it feels odd. But if you have a full band, you're going to attract a person's attention a little better."

Chris Baronner, talent buyer at Metro says another attraction is that the Drop bands' fusion of socially conscious lyricism with adept musicianship plays well to diverse crowds. "There's hip-hop everywhere, but here they really seem to focus on their music. And it's not like they are just playing Metro," he says. "They can play anywhere, Martyrs, HotHouse, Double Door, Subterranean, anywhere. With something like punk, you need that all-ages crowd. But these guys can appeal to anyone, all ages, 21-one plus, festivals, college gigs -- and when they play, you see that."

But while the Drop is catching the ear of show promoters and clubgoers, some members of the collective want to push things further -- to become a real movement instead of just a local twist on organic hip-hop or an extension of rap-rock. The greatest hurdle may be getting past the wide influence of the Roots, the Philadelphia-based band that almost singly defined "organic hip-hop" long before any of the Drop bands even formed.

Treologic keyboardist Lance Loiselle says the organization of the Drop offers the Chicago scene an advantage. "We've all been getting together biweekly to discuss gigs we can play together," he explains. "[After the release of the CD] we did three Thursdays at the Note. We're really promoting the scene as a group by playing together and going to see each other. We're also starting to talk about the second Chicago Drop CD. We're trying to bring people into the Chicago scene where it's real fertile and the people are really into the music."

And that, Kanno says, is the most exhilarating thing about the Drop. "The excitement is the raw talent that is getting harnessed right now. It's just an exciting time. These are the bands I want to see, these are the shows I want to go to."

David Jakubiak is a local free-lance writer.




EIGHT BANDS OUT THE GROUPS THAT COMPRISE THE CHICAGO DROP


The Chicago Drop is a collective of eight organic and experimental hip-hop bands who have come together to cultivate a Chicago-based hip-hop movement based on live instrumentation. For more visit thechicagodrop.com.


ABSTRACT GIANTS>>


This eight-man crew, made of seven Oak Park kids and a Wisconsin import, creates hip-hop seeping rock and funk elements. The rapid wordplay of a trio of MCs is punctuated by the skillful violin playing of Jason Vinluan.

BAD NEWS JONES>>


Add a sax, three rappers, keys and a steady rhythm section to a mango-guava punch and you'll get Bad News Jones, a septet that blends Afro-Cuban and Brazilian rhythms with a pure hip-hop grind.


FARM CREW


Call it art student hip-hop. Farm Crew has long been known as one of Chicago's premier alternative hip-hop acts, blending rock, jazz and real-life experience to create a sound that's part Native Tongue and part folk storybook.


PLANETS AUDIBLE

The punk element of the Drop, Planets Audible creates hard-pounding hip-hop driven by strings, strings and more strings. Comprising two guitars, bass and drums, this is a crew that adds thrash to the boom-bap.


SMALL CHANGE^^

Fronted by the tag-team of raw lyricists made up of MCs Vitamin D and Jah Safe, the five-man band Small Change draws from funk and reggae to create music that ranges from mellow to frenetic, often tinged with biting social criticism or raucous humor.


STAR PEOPLE>>

Thoroughly trained in jazz, this quartet's foundation is the live sampling technique of multi-instrumentalist Josh Thurston-Milgrom and reggae-dripped wordplay of rapper-singer-songwriter Cosmos Ray. Thurston-Milgrom. He calls their sound "hip-hop-reggae with jazz chops."

TABAKIN^^

Named for frontman Noah Tabakin, this quartet creates a tight fusion of rock and funk elements and punctuates its live performances with lengthy freestyles riddled with unfiltered lyricism.


TREOLOGIC

A sextet that has developed out of the rich history of Chicago hip-hop and jazz, Treologic prides itself on the tightness of its compositions. These draw on hip-hop, jazz, funk and gospel.

David Jakubiak
 
I agree that 90% of "live hip-hop bands" are completely wack, but back in 88 or 89 I saw Schoolly D play twice backed by a punk band called Scram (I believe) and that shit was the truth. Thr problem IMO isn't that the concept is bad, but that the bands are just too genteel to play with the energy that a live hip-hop show should have. Of course it's really easy to go too far, as MOP proved beyond any doubt last year.
 
maybe the concept can be executed well,
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Quote:</font1<h,121<b,121There's one in every city... possibly three or four ... People in every city, especially college kids, LOVE these groups.<b,121<b,121<b,121<h,121[/quote]<font class="post"1<b,121Argh, don't remind me. Aside from the entire show being boring in general, this is why I stopped going to hip hop shows in college. Always had one of these atrocities opening. And, since it was in santa cruz, they were almost always white dudes with dreads (I think that was what qualified you as a "live" hip hop group there - had to have at least one white dude with dreads, preferably blonde), awful. <b,121<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hi.gif" alt="" 21
 
Wow.. What a hilarious thread. <b,121<b,121I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates hip hop bands.<b,121<b,121I thought it was just me. I'm constantly trying to tell promoters that my band has NOTHING to do with hip hop.<b,121<b,121But, I also hate Live hip hop shows, Always have.<b,121<b,121- spidey
 
It's funny how in the 3 years since this thread started skateboard rap has gone from:<b,121<b,121 <img src="http://www.rapreviews.com/coverart/muskabeatz.jpg"1<b,121<b,121to:<b,121<b,121 <img src="http://saladdaysmusic.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/cool-kids.jpg"1<b,121<b,121But hip hop bands still suck.
 
Since this thread was created I've done a tour with Pharoahe Monch backed by and I've done a Redman and a Brand Nubian tour backed by .
 
It's all about a group's material. If a band comes out with well-written, clever songs, tight musicians, and good MC's, I'm not going to get mad. I don't hate these groups on principal. <b,121<b,121The reason Outkast's and Common's shows with live bands are dope is because the MC and the material is good. <b,121<b,121Most of these live bands think that just because they have lots of people on stage making noise that their songwriting game doesn't have to be tight. <b,121<b,121Unfortunately, Granola Chad and Hemp Becky are all too happy to simply have a band "jamming" onstage and don't realize that the shit is weaksauce. It's just a spectacle for them.
 
Quote: and I've done a Redman and a Brand Nubian tour backed by . <b,121<b,121<h,121[/quote]<font class="post"1<b,121<b,121DOPE! I also enjoyed the Rhythm Roots All-Stars w/ Ghostface!!
 
How about Rhymefest rapping over thriller?<b,121<b,121<object width="425" height="344"1<param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/npsu4_c67S8&hl=en&fs=1"1</param1<param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"1</param1<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/npsu4_c67S8&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"1</embed1</object1<b,121<b,121- spidey
 
Quote:Quote: and I've done a Redman and a Brand Nubian tour backed by . >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rapper x (Bass + Drums + Keyboard)
 
"FLAMINGO CANTINA: M.O.P. backed by CONNIE PRICE and the KEYSTONES feat. MC PERCEE P"<b,121<b,121 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/melt.gif" alt="" 21<b,121<b,121I need to hear this!
 
QUESTION:<b,121How many of you enjoyed this album? <b,121<b,121
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