Republicans FTLose.
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Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
THAT'S WHY WE KICKED YOUR ASSES OUTTA HERE! WE'RE NOT GONNA STAND FOR ANY ADVICE FROM YOU LIMEY BASTARDS, EVEN IF IT'S SENSIBLE!
I keed.
Looking forward to my next phone call with my Dad, who seriously saw the next American Civil War breaking out should healthcare reform get the go-ahead.
Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
And punish the poor tobacco farmers? Are you crazy man!
B/W
Many states already tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol.
Can we start a "my country's tax is worse than your's thread?"
'cos seriously, Americans moan about taxes... but they have it eeeeeeaaaasy. No f*cking jokes.
I wonder if a civil war DID break out, would those participants who didn't have healthcare coverage allow themselves to die if they were injured?
Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
And punish the poor tobacco farmers? Are you crazy man!
B/W
Many states already tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol.
Can we start a "my country's tax is worse than your's thread?"
'cos seriously, Americans moan about taxes... but they have it eeeeeeaaaasy. No f*cking jokes.
Amen to that. I would be bowled over, nay, gobsmacked if a single US state taxes something like tobacco anywhere near the levels seen in the UK, never mind any of my less guilty pleasures.
The flaw in that theory is that its mainly lower income folks who do our fighting for us, and they're the ones reaping the benefit of this bill. Although I'd certainly get a kick out of a bunch of well-off old white dudes strapping on flak jackets and charging the rest of us.
Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
And punish the poor tobacco farmers? Are you crazy man!
B/W
Many states already tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol.
Can we start a "my country's tax is worse than your's thread?"
'cos seriously, Americans moan about taxes... but they have it eeeeeeaaaasy. No f*cking jokes.
Amen to that. I would be bowled over, nay, gobsmacked if a single US state taxes something like tobacco anywhere near the levels seen in the UK, never mind any of my less guilty pleasures.
Over ten dollars for a single pack here, right? And we're not paying those prices because tobacco is difficult to get hold of here...
The flaw in that theory is that its mainly lower income folks who do our fighting for us, and they're the ones reaping the benefit of this bill. Although I'd certainly get a kick out of a bunch of well-off old white dudes strapping on flak jackets and charging the rest of us.
"I just had a mini-gun mounted to the roof of our stretch humvee - thinking what I'm thinking?"
Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
And punish the poor tobacco farmers? Are you crazy man!
B/W
Many states already tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol.
Can we start a "my country's tax is worse than your's thread?"
'cos seriously, Americans moan about taxes... but they have it eeeeeeaaaasy. No f*cking jokes.
Amen to that. I would be bowled over, nay, gobsmacked if a single US state taxes something like tobacco anywhere near the levels seen in the UK, never mind any of my less guilty pleasures.
Over ten dollars for a single pack here, right? And we're not paying those prices because tobacco is difficult to get hold of here...
Here in NYC it's right around $10 a pack nowadays, $4.50 of which is state and city tax. I know that it is much cheaper elsewhere though, especially if you live in a tobacco growing state.
Or just do what the UK does and tax the hell out of cigarettes, putting the money back into healthcare. In theory.
And punish the poor tobacco farmers? Are you crazy man!
B/W
Many states already tax the hell out of tobacco and alcohol.
Can we start a "my country's tax is worse than your's thread?"
'cos seriously, Americans moan about taxes... but they have it eeeeeeaaaasy. No f*cking jokes.
Amen to that. I would be bowled over, nay, gobsmacked if a single US state taxes something like tobacco anywhere near the levels seen in the UK, never mind any of my less guilty pleasures.
Over ten dollars for a single pack here, right? And we're not paying those prices because tobacco is difficult to get hold of here...
Yeah the major supermarkets do it a bit cheaper but anywhere else (especially in London) and you're looking at around ten dollars a pack. That's with the current exchange rate, before the crash it was nearer 12 dollars. Add to that the average price of a beer and we're talking major investment for a night out.
Oh how little I knew what I was gett8ing into when I took those first fateful puffs by the bike sheds.
How do you feel like paying for someone that never worked a day in there life and had five kids, I know i don't wanna be the one paying for their health care. I work in houses all the time where the person is on welfare and getting free health care, but she has a 50 in high def tv in her house and laptop computers.
Just think of it that you are going to pay for it regardless of whether or not they have coverage -- if a.) they do have a plan and go in for the occasional checkup or b.) if they don't have a plan and roll up to the ER knocking on death's door. It's going to be cheaper in the long run if they go for a checkup with a slight pain rather than going to the doctor when they start turning blue.
yeah because there are millions of people like that. In fact the WHOLE country is made up 20% hard working people who earned everything they have and the majority of the country are lazy people not working. F*ck the people who cant afford health care, they ALL have high end consumer electronics in their houses...they should have spent the $500 they spent on that laptop and bought one month of health insurance...thieving f*cking bastards.
It all boils down to a universal dilemma.
Generally, public health care should be seen as necessity for a society with basic humanitarian principles.
Problem is that wherever services or goods can be obtained free of charge, some people will figure out a way to abuse the system. Junkies will find ways to get to prescription drugs for free. People who are just too lazy to work will claim false medical problems that are difficult to detect and use the social and medical network designed to help people in need as a hammock.
In Germany there is a relatively high percentage of people who exploit the welfare and healthcare system simultaneously and not few of them breed like rabbits because the government pays premiums for each child.
I don't think any society wants to see children die or suffer serious damages because their parents don't have money for basic medication or a visit to the doctor.
But do you want to pay for some hillbilly receiving treatment by a specialist in "pain treatment" to score his oxycontin? What about people who out of their own free will stuffed themselves with tons of shitty food so they turned into giant sacks of fat who can't work but have a multitude of medical problems?
In Germany you're forced to participate in the public healthcare system unless you are self-employed. This public health care provides increasingly shitty service for ridiculously high cost. Your employer is forced to pay a portion of it and subtracts the rest from your paycheck before you get paid. This way as a worker, you are forced to pay for the medical treatment of retired and job-less people.
I'm curious how your public health care system is going to work out and how happy most of you are going to be with it on the long run. It will probably be impossible to reverse.
Generally, public health care should be seen as necessity for a society with basic humanitarian principles.
Problem is that wherever services or goods can be obtained free of charge, some people will figure out a way to abuse the system. Junkies will find ways to get to prescription drugs for free. People who are just too lazy to work will claim false medical problems that are difficult to detect and use the social and medical network designed to help people in need as a hammock.
In Germany there is a relatively high percentage of people who exploit the welfare and healthcare system simultaneously and not few of them breed like rabbits because the government pays premiums for each child.
I don't think any society wants to see children die or suffer serious damages because their parents don't have money for basic medication or a visit to the doctor.
But do you want to pay for some hillbilly receiving treatment by a specialist in "pain treatment" to score his oxycontin? What about people who out of their own free will stuffed themselves with tons of shitty food so they turned into giant sacks of fat who can't work but have a multitude of medical problems?
In Germany you're forced to participate in the public healthcare system unless you are self-employed. This public health care provides increasingly shitty service for ridiculously high cost. Your employer is forced to pay a portion of it and subtracts the rest from your paycheck before you get paid. This way as a worker, you are forced to pay for the medical treatment of retired and job-less people.
I'm curious how your public health care system is going to work out and how happy most of you are going to be with it on the long run. It will probably be impossible to reverse.
Here in NYC it's right around $10 a pack nowadays, $4.50 of which is state and city tax. I know that it is much cheaper elsewhere though, especially if you live in a tobacco growing state.
Hey, maybe it is cheaper here:
2010 1 x 20 cigarettes: ?6.13 ($9.23)
tax burden: ?4.67 ($7.04)
tax incidence: 76%
tax incidence was at a high in 2001 (80%).
yeah because there are millions of people like that. In fact the WHOLE country is made up 20% hard working people who earned everything they have and the majority of the country are lazy people not working. F*ck the people who cant afford health care, they ALL have high end consumer electronics in their houses...they should have spent the $500 they spent on that laptop and bought one month of health insurance...thieving f*cking bastards.
don't listen to this guy - he has a guest house
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