The Return of Odd Future

empanadamn said:i don't quiet understand how some of you guys are comparing their appearance on jimmy fallon to people being introduced to jimi hendrix, misfits, sex pistols, etc. on national tv DECADES ago. they didn't have the internet & youtube back them; totally different times and context of music. no one would flinch if they saw someone fucking an amp with a guitar, performed with face paint, flipped the bird in current times.





i'd say more fans were already planning to watch (and found out strictly via the internet) than then number of new fans gained instantly from tuning in or being in the studio audience that night. on top of that, i doubt folks who consider themselves music heads specifically check out jimmy fallon to get up on some new music. internet > tv.




Well, my point, for all it's worth, was that by the time non-mainstream performers have made it to the mainstream nowadays, they've usually been "over" for years in the eyes of early adopters, whereas OFWGKTA have already made it that far without any kind of major label support and while they're still a relatively hot topic in so-called tastemaker circles. It didn't take them two albums and a couple of big movie syncs like it did with MIA. They're not an easily digestible hipster-friendly act with broad appeal like Vampire Weekend. Let's not forget there are still a lot of people out there who get their pop culture fix through the more conventional channels.





Also, can anyone tell me the last time an act without any kind of major-label deal (XL is an indie, before anyone mentions Tyler's deal with them) landed a spot on a network TV show in the US? My guess is somewhere between "a fucking long time ago" and "never". Either way, I doubt it happens often enough for it to be unworthy of comment.
 
Rockadelic said:Almost all the important genres of popular music in the last 60 years began as "martian music" that alienated the previous generations.....that is attractive to a 16 year old....a music that someone 30 and over can't possibly understand or like, therefore making it unique to that teen generation.....something they can take pride in and ownership of.




This is it in a nutshell. Another thing that's been on my mind lately is that children born after Notorious B.I.G.'s death are about to enter their teens, thirteen in a few weeks.
 
show was full of people in their teens and 20s. most of which knew every word to every song. the old motherfuckers in the back were called out to the tune of "fuck all you old motherfuckers in the back. you old motherfuckers. fuck your fucking job."





clever lyrics, great beats and a well-honed aesthetic. rap music. the end.
 
Martin said:james said:Rockadelic said:They sold out a NYC show in 10 minutes....and if that show is packed with an under 18 crowd I'd say these guys have hit the target .....if that show is filled with 32 year old dudes I'd say it was lame on every level possible.




I think this is a very pertinent point.





I like Odd Future a fair amount, but one, I'm old as fuck, and two, I'm crusty enough that the phenomenon of realizing that I like something even a little is itself enough to make me like it a little bit more, just on the strength (I'm in love with love, you know?). I'd be curious to know whether they have any real traction among folks their own age.





I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm also old enough and aristocratic enough that the answer ot that question won't change my mind about anything, but still, it'd be interesting to know.




i heard their dc show on the 15th was at least half kids under 21. they are definitely hitting in their own age group more than any other best as i can tell.




That's good to hear, for real.
 
rape_donkeys said:"fuck all you old motherfuckers in the back. you old motherfuckers. fuck your fucking job."










This is GREAT....especially if those old dudes in the back of the room we're thinking "Yeah, fuck me, I am fucking lame".
 
empanadamn said:





question: who's managing these kids? a friend told me something interesting about that. i'm actually surprised that someone like pharrell isn't snatching something like this up.











i'm old future :(




David A*****i and he's not getting them on interscope. That would be dumb since they have Dre on the schedule..





This guy can read contracts in his sleep and they've already passed on a major.
 
Rockadelic said:rape_donkeys said:"fuck all you old motherfuckers in the back. you old motherfuckers. fuck your fucking job."










This is GREAT....especially if those old dudes in the back of the room we're thinking "Yeah, fuck me, I am fucking lame".




Haha! Seriously. I am old. And yes???I often share the sentiment of "fuck my fucking job."





May I inquire where the aging and gainfully employed Rape Donkeys was standing during this pronouncement?
 
Rockadelic said:rape_donkeys said:"fuck all you old motherfuckers in the back. you old motherfuckers. fuck your fucking job."










This is GREAT....especially if those old dudes in the back of the room we're thinking "Yeah, fuck me, I am fucking lame".




YES!!! i say that about myself ALL the time.
 
whats up with the overanalyzing their future prospects and their current place in society? can we wait a minute?





i like the enthusiasm. its fun. who cares if they are or arent the next version of something from the past.
 
edulus said:whats up with the overanalyzing their future prospects and their current place in society? can we wait a minute?







No. We are the illuminati. We and only we decide if they succeed beyond the Fallon appearance (Falloff on Fallon?). As you can see, there is always thunder amongst our rank, but soon we will all come to an agreement and decide their fate.
 
DocMcCoy said:empanadamn said:i don't quiet understand how some of you guys are comparing their appearance on jimmy fallon to people being introduced to jimi hendrix, misfits, sex pistols, etc. on national tv DECADES ago. they didn't have the internet & youtube back them; totally different times and context of music. no one would flinch if they saw someone fucking an amp with a guitar, performed with face paint, flipped the bird in current times.





i'd say more fans were already planning to watch (and found out strictly via the internet) than then number of new fans gained instantly from tuning in or being in the studio audience that night. on top of that, i doubt folks who consider themselves music heads specifically check out jimmy fallon to get up on some new music. internet > tv.




Well, my point, for all it's worth, was that by the time non-mainstream performers have made it to the mainstream nowadays, they've usually been "over" for years in the eyes of early adopters, whereas OFWGKTA have already made it that far without any kind of major label support and while they're still a relatively hot topic in so-called tastemaker circles. It didn't take them two albums and a couple of big movie syncs like it did with MIA. They're not an easily digestible hipster-friendly act with broad appeal like Vampire Weekend. Let's not forget there are still a lot of people out there who get their pop culture fix through the more conventional channels.





Also, can anyone tell me the last time an act without any kind of major-label deal (XL is an indie, before anyone mentions Tyler's deal with them) landed a spot on a network TV show in the US? My guess is somewhere between "a fucking long time ago" and "never". Either way, I doubt it happens often enough for it to be unworthy of comment.




1st thing that comes to mind is SJ&TDK;, who seem to be on Fallon/Conan/whatever every few months. i'm sure there are others as well, fallon especially seems to get more "indie" artists.





b/w





at 25, i must be like the youngest person on SS...
 
I still haven't listened to any of this. Top 3 tracks to determine whether I'm olde or not plz.
 
james said:Martin said:james said:Rockadelic said:They sold out a NYC show in 10 minutes....and if that show is packed with an under 18 crowd I'd say these guys have hit the target .....if that show is filled with 32 year old dudes I'd say it was lame on every level possible.




I think this is a very pertinent point.





I like Odd Future a fair amount, but one, I'm old as fuck, and two, I'm crusty enough that the phenomenon of realizing that I like something even a little is itself enough to make me like it a little bit more, just on the strength (I'm in love with love, you know?). I'd be curious to know whether they have any real traction among folks their own age.





I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm also old enough and aristocratic enough that the answer ot that question won't change my mind about anything, but still, it'd be interesting to know.




i heard their dc show on the 15th was at least half kids under 21. they are definitely hitting in their own age group more than any other best as i can tell.




That's good to hear, for real.







even over here, kids in Austria and Germany have been shouting "Wolf Gang" last weekend. Some are around 20, but got the word on OF from me, a 33 year old. Don't know if that is still cool then. But at least they are interested and I guess live shows over here would work. As one of the 20 year olds (who is heavily into electro and dubstep) recently said: "The time is right for good rap music again". Don't know if that is still cool then part 2.
 
willie_fugal said:at 25, i must be like the youngest person on SS...




Nope.





FWIW, a guy I know from NYC went to their show on the 15th, and he sounded like he enjoyed it. The yoots, dey like it!





sticky_dojah said:even over here, kids in Austria and Germany have been shouting "Wolf Gang" last weekend.




A novice mistake, but this has been a thing in the Austrian punk scene for a while:


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