Electronic music bores the shit out of me!
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SPlDEY said
ocMcCoy said:This thread is a spectacularly bad look waiting to happen.
Either that or it's wilfully dumb-as-a-brick troll bait.
Or, we could have an intelligent discourse. So, do you agree or disagree with me, and why? - Diego
I agree that you think it's boring, but I disagree that it is.
ocMcCoy said:This thread is a spectacularly bad look waiting to happen.Either that or it's wilfully dumb-as-a-brick troll bait.
Or, we could have an intelligent discourse. So, do you agree or disagree with me, and why? - Diego
I agree that you think it's boring, but I disagree that it is.
lets see last time i checked???.
daphne oram
tod dokstader
robert moog
raymond scott
delia derbyshire
kid baltan and tom dissevelt
kraftwerk
80's electro
art of noise
Susan cianni
digital jamaican music
all the dub producers
detroit techno pioneers
afrika bambatta
house music in general
warp records--aphex twin squarepusher boards of canada
rephlex records
mille plateaux
ninja tune
skam???planet mu???..etc etc
all really suck and haven't pioneered anything at all-He's dead on the money!!
daphne oram
tod dokstader
robert moog
raymond scott
delia derbyshire
kid baltan and tom dissevelt
kraftwerk
80's electro
art of noise
Susan cianni
digital jamaican music
all the dub producers
detroit techno pioneers
afrika bambatta
house music in general
warp records--aphex twin squarepusher boards of canada
rephlex records
mille plateaux
ninja tune
skam???planet mu???..etc etc
all really suck and haven't pioneered anything at all-He's dead on the money!!
LoopDreams said:But Diego, you like Can, which is a bit of a cornerstone
This is true. You can consider CAN early electronic music. I do like Delia Derbyshire, Silver Apples, even some Kraftwerk.
I'm talking more about:
Mind you I live in Vegas. The shit's played. Have I hurt anyones feelings yet?
- spidey
This is true. You can consider CAN early electronic music. I do like Delia Derbyshire, Silver Apples, even some Kraftwerk.
I'm talking more about:
Mind you I live in Vegas. The shit's played. Have I hurt anyones feelings yet?
- spidey
Bon Vivant said:SPlDEY saidocMcCoy said:This thread is a spectacularly bad look waiting to happen.
Either that or it's wilfully dumb-as-a-brick troll bait.
Or, we could have an intelligent discourse. So, do you agree or disagree with me, and why? - Diego
I agree that you think it's boring, but I disagree that it is.
You know what man.. you're absolutely right. I mean.. you put up a good argument, but I completely agree that I think it's boring. At least we're on the same page.
- Diego
ocMcCoy said:This thread is a spectacularly bad look waiting to happen.Either that or it's wilfully dumb-as-a-brick troll bait.
Or, we could have an intelligent discourse. So, do you agree or disagree with me, and why? - Diego
I agree that you think it's boring, but I disagree that it is.
You know what man.. you're absolutely right. I mean.. you put up a good argument, but I completely agree that I think it's boring. At least we're on the same page.
- Diego
SPlDEY said:
Mind you I live in Vegas. The shit's played. Have I hurt anyones feelings yet?
- spidey
The shit was played 20 years ago, right around the time a contemporaneous Sonic Youth documentary called 1991: The Year Punk Broke was released in the US. You guys might wanna get that watch looked at. I think it might be a little slow.
Seriously, this is what you're upset about? Shitty comedy rave and the dubstep equivalent of Skid Row? That's what you're calling "electronic music"? And the schoolgirl remarks about hurting people's feelings - that's the kind of "intelligent discourse" you were after?
Mind you I live in Vegas. The shit's played. Have I hurt anyones feelings yet?
- spidey
The shit was played 20 years ago, right around the time a contemporaneous Sonic Youth documentary called 1991: The Year Punk Broke was released in the US. You guys might wanna get that watch looked at. I think it might be a little slow.
Seriously, this is what you're upset about? Shitty comedy rave and the dubstep equivalent of Skid Row? That's what you're calling "electronic music"? And the schoolgirl remarks about hurting people's feelings - that's the kind of "intelligent discourse" you were after?
Hi Diego,
I think you're talking about a narrow strand of music which America has christened 'EDM', ie electro-riff Euro-house music. Most people on this board are going to agree that from Tiesto to to Deadmou5 to anyone playing a wav file whilst emoting over a control surface, pointing their fingers skywayds and imploring a crowd of easy-to-please prancers on drugs to lose their shit NOW is a joke. But I reckon 75% of them would admit there's some merit to the music that whole aesthetic is derived from eg Daft Punk via Chicago house music via 80s boogie music via blah blah blah.
I personally agree that those examples you've collaged together make a convincingly hellish argument.
- Tom
I think you're talking about a narrow strand of music which America has christened 'EDM', ie electro-riff Euro-house music. Most people on this board are going to agree that from Tiesto to to Deadmou5 to anyone playing a wav file whilst emoting over a control surface, pointing their fingers skywayds and imploring a crowd of easy-to-please prancers on drugs to lose their shit NOW is a joke. But I reckon 75% of them would admit there's some merit to the music that whole aesthetic is derived from eg Daft Punk via Chicago house music via 80s boogie music via blah blah blah.
I personally agree that those examples you've collaged together make a convincingly hellish argument.
- Tom
I'd have to agree that the cross-section you chose to represent "electronic music" is pretty small and specific, and stuff that I mostly don't care for. However, you did open by saying "I like electric guitars and real drummers" which implies that you have a generally negative view of electronic instruments/sounds. That might not be what you meant, but that's how it comes across.
I'm personally of the opinion that if a person only likes music that's made a particular way, they don't really like music that much.
I'm personally of the opinion that if a person only likes music that's made a particular way, they don't really like music that much.
DocMcCoy said:Seriously, this is what you're upset about? Shitty comedy rave and the dubstep equivalent of Skid Row? That's what you're calling "electronic music"?
I'm struggling to put it any better that this.
Really, if the examples above are what you consider quintessential "electronic" music you should really start questioning whether you know anything about music.
I'm struggling to put it any better that this.
Really, if the examples above are what you consider quintessential "electronic" music you should really start questioning whether you know anything about music.
Technically, all music that is amplified or recorded is "electronic" music.
The only way to hear non-electronic music is to be right there at the time somebody is singing or playing an acoustic instrument.
Pretty limited opportunities for this.
The only way to hear non-electronic music is to be right there at the time somebody is singing or playing an acoustic instrument.
Pretty limited opportunities for this.
This is some really dumb puerile shit.
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
granjero said:Hi Diego,
I think you're talking about a narrow strand of music which America has christened 'EDM', ie electro-riff Euro-house music. Most people on this board are going to agree that from Tiesto to to Deadmou5 to anyone playing a wav file whilst emoting over a control surface, pointing their fingers skywayds and imploring a crowd of easy-to-please prancers on drugs to lose their shit NOW is a joke. But I reckon 75% of them would admit there's some merit to the music that whole aesthetic is derived from eg Daft Punk via Chicago house music via 80s boogie music via blah blah blah.
I personally agree that those examples you've collaged together make a convincingly hellish argument.
- Tom
Right on Tom,
Forgive me because my argument may be a little facetious today but it comes from a real place. I'm mostly just talking shit, and acting a fool, because it's Friday, and the weather is great (look at all those commas).
So, anyways fellas don't take me & yourselves so damn seriously.
You see, the reality is there is actually a wide spectrum of what can be considered 'electronic music' that I will consider good. In fact anybody who is creating any type of musical art to me is wonderful. Regardless if I like it or not. Completely dismissing all electronic music and any innovations based around electronics would be in fact ludicrous. I'll agree. I can not deny the tremendous progress & new type of sounds being invented & created these days.
Daft Punk / Chicago House / 80's Boogie / Sly-stone's Little Sister / Mort Garson.. I will agree Yes, these are all positive examples of shit I can get into. I'll even give it to Justice, Nosaj Thing, & also what dudes like Fourtet , Thom Yorke, Daedelus & Flying Lotus are doing.. There are many people out there doing it right & pushing the creativity. I will agree.
I'm mostly bothered by the current trends in popular music as a whole. It feels like we are living in the era of the laptop musician. Being a guitar player who is mostly into 60s & 70s music. I don't see where it would be so very surprising to find out that I'm bored with a lot of electronic music. In fact more so, I could argue that the art of songwriting as a whole is being put into question these days.
I'm just personally bored with all these bedroom electronic artists that seem so prevalent over the Internet, and the thousands of lame electronic DJ's that are not even worth mentioning by first name in my city. I'm surely not the only fuddy duddy bored with a lot of electronic music (which I'll agree 'electronic music' as a term is a fairly broad & off putting term of itself). I'm sure I could word this all a bit more articulately if I had the time.
Let me just end this by saying I'm still a part of the only DJ Collective who spins vinyl in my city. Yes, I'll be participating & promoting in the Beat Swap Meet in my city. I've met many many incredible live musicians recently who aren't using a computer live on stage including Tommy Brenneck, Adrian Quesada, Paz Lenchatin, Autolux & Juan Alderete. I'm sure they'd all be hard pressed to tell you they were able to create there music without the aid of some type of computer.
So, yes there is hope for this world just yet. There is a whole happy medium within the context of musically using computers. However I guess if anyone should lead a rebellion against this robotic army of laptop musicians. It might as well be me. (I'm half Argentinian & rebellion is in my blood.)
So to all of you who are a part of this whole generation of Beat makers & producers making beats with your i-Pad's & your expensive ass shit Apple laptops. More power to you, It may now be your time just yet, but I feel a return to strong songwriting and talented musicians returning. I vow to fight you back musically, and continue to be stubbornly analog as fuck.
Cheers,
- Diego
I think you're talking about a narrow strand of music which America has christened 'EDM', ie electro-riff Euro-house music. Most people on this board are going to agree that from Tiesto to to Deadmou5 to anyone playing a wav file whilst emoting over a control surface, pointing their fingers skywayds and imploring a crowd of easy-to-please prancers on drugs to lose their shit NOW is a joke. But I reckon 75% of them would admit there's some merit to the music that whole aesthetic is derived from eg Daft Punk via Chicago house music via 80s boogie music via blah blah blah.
I personally agree that those examples you've collaged together make a convincingly hellish argument.
- Tom
Right on Tom,
Forgive me because my argument may be a little facetious today but it comes from a real place. I'm mostly just talking shit, and acting a fool, because it's Friday, and the weather is great (look at all those commas).
So, anyways fellas don't take me & yourselves so damn seriously.
You see, the reality is there is actually a wide spectrum of what can be considered 'electronic music' that I will consider good. In fact anybody who is creating any type of musical art to me is wonderful. Regardless if I like it or not. Completely dismissing all electronic music and any innovations based around electronics would be in fact ludicrous. I'll agree. I can not deny the tremendous progress & new type of sounds being invented & created these days.
Daft Punk / Chicago House / 80's Boogie / Sly-stone's Little Sister / Mort Garson.. I will agree Yes, these are all positive examples of shit I can get into. I'll even give it to Justice, Nosaj Thing, & also what dudes like Fourtet , Thom Yorke, Daedelus & Flying Lotus are doing.. There are many people out there doing it right & pushing the creativity. I will agree.
I'm mostly bothered by the current trends in popular music as a whole. It feels like we are living in the era of the laptop musician. Being a guitar player who is mostly into 60s & 70s music. I don't see where it would be so very surprising to find out that I'm bored with a lot of electronic music. In fact more so, I could argue that the art of songwriting as a whole is being put into question these days.
I'm just personally bored with all these bedroom electronic artists that seem so prevalent over the Internet, and the thousands of lame electronic DJ's that are not even worth mentioning by first name in my city. I'm surely not the only fuddy duddy bored with a lot of electronic music (which I'll agree 'electronic music' as a term is a fairly broad & off putting term of itself). I'm sure I could word this all a bit more articulately if I had the time.
Let me just end this by saying I'm still a part of the only DJ Collective who spins vinyl in my city. Yes, I'll be participating & promoting in the Beat Swap Meet in my city. I've met many many incredible live musicians recently who aren't using a computer live on stage including Tommy Brenneck, Adrian Quesada, Paz Lenchatin, Autolux & Juan Alderete. I'm sure they'd all be hard pressed to tell you they were able to create there music without the aid of some type of computer.
So, yes there is hope for this world just yet. There is a whole happy medium within the context of musically using computers. However I guess if anyone should lead a rebellion against this robotic army of laptop musicians. It might as well be me. (I'm half Argentinian & rebellion is in my blood.)
So to all of you who are a part of this whole generation of Beat makers & producers making beats with your i-Pad's & your expensive ass shit Apple laptops. More power to you, It may now be your time just yet, but I feel a return to strong songwriting and talented musicians returning. I vow to fight you back musically, and continue to be stubbornly analog as fuck.
Cheers,
- Diego
batmon said:This is some really dumb puerile shit.
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
Oh why don't you go have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. You Jello pudding eating mf'er.
- spidey
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
Oh why don't you go have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. You Jello pudding eating mf'er.
- spidey
Hey Diego,
Is your gripe with what you perceive as a lack of strong songwriting or with the fact that people are using electronic instruments to write these songs? Acoustic instruments and great songwriting are not mutually exclusive. Every instrument (electronic and otherwise) is just a tool for expressing your particular musical vision.
Is your gripe with what you perceive as a lack of strong songwriting or with the fact that people are using electronic instruments to write these songs? Acoustic instruments and great songwriting are not mutually exclusive. Every instrument (electronic and otherwise) is just a tool for expressing your particular musical vision.
SPlDEY said: I'll even give it to Justice, Nosaj Thing, & also what dudes like Fourtet , Thom Yorke, Daedelus & Flying Lotus are doing.. There are many people out there doing it right & pushing the creativity. I will agree.
Just out of curiosity, why did you post some of their pics as examples of what you don't like? I have no dog in this fight, but I try to keep an open mind and just like what I like. From my experience you end up missing out on some amazing shit when you blanket a whole genre or style of music.
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Just out of curiosity, why did you post some of their pics as examples of what you don't like? I have no dog in this fight, but I try to keep an open mind and just like what I like. From my experience you end up missing out on some amazing shit when you blanket a whole genre or style of music.
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SPlDEY said:batmon said:This is some really dumb puerile shit.
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
Oh why don't you go have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. You Jello pudding eating mf'er.
- spidey
Just leave. Your perspective is antiquated.
I thought weve been trying to get this sites game back and here we go with some level zero "discourse" that isnt going to lead any of us music lovers into a healthy understanding.
Spidey has made some comments on how he never felt "in".
Take this base type nonsense elsewhere or restructure your bias so cats here can actually waste energy on your silly subject.
I dont give a fuck ....ill be the asshole.
Oh why don't you go have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up. You Jello pudding eating mf'er.
- spidey
Just leave. Your perspective is antiquated.
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