Yet iTunes and amazon still sell. We're talking about different streams of content and for the time being, those streams exist in parallel.
Piracy Fight Shuts Down Music Blogs
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mannybolone said:Yet iTunes and amazon still sell. We're talking about different streams of content and for the time being, those streams exist in parallel.
^^^^^^
must have a music blog
if itunes or amazon doesn't have something, that is even more the reason not to post it for a free download. is crate digging no longer holy on the crate digging revealed thread?
^^^^^^
must have a music blog
if itunes or amazon doesn't have something, that is even more the reason not to post it for a free download. is crate digging no longer holy on the crate digging revealed thread?
mannybolone said:Yet iTunes and amazon still sell. We're talking about different streams of content and for the time being, those streams exist in parallel.
For the time being, yes. We are currently still in the Wild West phase of the internet. It's not 1888 yet.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
For the time being, yes. We are currently still in the Wild West phase of the internet. It's not 1888 yet.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
Yup, this is already happening.
My music videos have been flagged on YouTube for "matched third party copyright infringement" by YouTube. If you click on the link it says in laymen's terms that you're video contains third party copyrit content which you do not hold the rights to. The problem is, I'm the third party who owns the rights. It's unclear, I think even to themselves, as to what course of action they'll take, but imagine a YouTube where every video with matched content (using a shazaam/genome algorithm) is flagged and removed.
They are probably just protecting thier ass but, to me, it looks like the future of internet policing will be done with bots and algorithms and google is working on getting it together.
On a side note, even though the bot flagged my video, a separate one placed an ad banner on the bottoms of te video to buy the song on amazon.
Web 3.0 is gonna be a strange place.
My music videos have been flagged on YouTube for "matched third party copyright infringement" by YouTube. If you click on the link it says in laymen's terms that you're video contains third party copyrit content which you do not hold the rights to. The problem is, I'm the third party who owns the rights. It's unclear, I think even to themselves, as to what course of action they'll take, but imagine a YouTube where every video with matched content (using a shazaam/genome algorithm) is flagged and removed.
They are probably just protecting thier ass but, to me, it looks like the future of internet policing will be done with bots and algorithms and google is working on getting it together.
On a side note, even though the bot flagged my video, a separate one placed an ad banner on the bottoms of te video to buy the song on amazon.
Web 3.0 is gonna be a strange place.
SportCasual said:mannybolone said:
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
Don't fool yourself. They have that power already. Anything that passes over the internet (un-encrypted) can be sniffed.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
Don't fool yourself. They have that power already. Anything that passes over the internet (un-encrypted) can be sniffed.
They're still going to arrest us all for dubbing albums to cassettes back in the day. Don't think they've forgotten.
SportCasual said:mannybolone said:Yet iTunes and amazon still sell. We're talking about different streams of content and for the time being, those streams exist in parallel.
For the time being, yes. We are currently still in the Wild West phase of the internet. It's not 1888 yet.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
That may all be true but this is all 10years after Napster too. The points we're talking about have been argued ad nauseum and I think the key thing that would change the terms of the debate is a major change in enforcement strategies.
For the time being, yes. We are currently still in the Wild West phase of the internet. It's not 1888 yet.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
That may all be true but this is all 10years after Napster too. The points we're talking about have been argued ad nauseum and I think the key thing that would change the terms of the debate is a major change in enforcement strategies.
SportCasual said:For the time being, yes. We are currently still in the Wild West phase of the internet. It's not 1888 yet.
SportCasual only pawn in game of life.
SportCasual only pawn in game of life.
SportCasual said:keithvanhorn said: I find it much more objectionable that people are posting music of artists that they love and fooling themselves into thinking that they are serving the artist.
This is the main point about download sites. It's a strange combination of stalkerism, art critic syndrome, and just basically settling for mediocrity. I would have thought Reynaldo would be very critical of such moves.
I'm about the music, so much so that I'm willing to destroy an entire industry and impoverish any artist to feed my appetite.
This is the main point about download sites. It's a strange combination of stalkerism, art critic syndrome, and just basically settling for mediocrity. I would have thought Reynaldo would be very critical of such moves.
I'm about the music, so much so that I'm willing to destroy an entire industry and impoverish any artist to feed my appetite.
HarveyCanal said:They're still going to arrest us all for dubbing albums to cassettes back in the day. Don't think they've forgotten.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
mannybolone said:HarveyCanal said:They're still going to arrest us all for dubbing albums to cassettes back in the day. Don't think they've forgotten.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
Agreed X1000000000000000000
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
Agreed X1000000000000000000
keithvanhorn said:
if itunes or amazon doesn't have something, that is even more the reason not to post it for a free download
I'm not following the line of logic here.
Also: I'm assuming you're opposed to Record Day on this very site?
if itunes or amazon doesn't have something, that is even more the reason not to post it for a free download
I'm not following the line of logic here.
Also: I'm assuming you're opposed to Record Day on this very site?
billbradley said:SportCasual said:mannybolone said:
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
Don't fool yourself. They have that power already. Anything that passes over the internet (un-encrypted) can be sniffed.
I'm a web developer, I know this. But my point is more about when it becomes in the interests of those with the ability to do the cracking down. Up to now, Google has been about traffic/market share, that's indicative of the speculative phase of the Internet. Dotcom was after all not about making money, but increasing market share. Profit was almost a bad sign as it meant a slow in growth.
When market saturation for internet users is reached, it will be all about maximizing profit on the existing model, not trying to be at the top of the bubble in order to capitalize on potential. Copyright and its enforceabilty will be key to that.
A lot of this will end soon when TimeWarner and Google and others have the power to sniff every piece of data that you access 24/7, and as (de facto in the case of Google) copyright holders, they will be interested in policing your content choices.
Don't fool yourself. They have that power already. Anything that passes over the internet (un-encrypted) can be sniffed.
I'm a web developer, I know this. But my point is more about when it becomes in the interests of those with the ability to do the cracking down. Up to now, Google has been about traffic/market share, that's indicative of the speculative phase of the Internet. Dotcom was after all not about making money, but increasing market share. Profit was almost a bad sign as it meant a slow in growth.
When market saturation for internet users is reached, it will be all about maximizing profit on the existing model, not trying to be at the top of the bubble in order to capitalize on potential. Copyright and its enforceabilty will be key to that.
mannybolone said:HarveyCanal said:They're still going to arrest us all for dubbing albums to cassettes back in the day. Don't think they've forgotten.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
this is such a load of shit. artists entering into unfair contracts with music labels, agents, managers, etc. is an entirely different ballgame. that's like me stealing fruits from wholefoods [assuming wholefoods was a co-op] and justifying it by saying that the farmers are getting screwed anyway.
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
it's a lot easier to just say - we are all part of the problem.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
this is such a load of shit. artists entering into unfair contracts with music labels, agents, managers, etc. is an entirely different ballgame. that's like me stealing fruits from wholefoods [assuming wholefoods was a co-op] and justifying it by saying that the farmers are getting screwed anyway.
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
it's a lot easier to just say - we are all part of the problem.
mannybolone said:HarveyCanal said:They're still going to arrest us all for dubbing albums to cassettes back in the day. Don't think they've forgotten.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
What always bothered me was the mark-up on cd's which cost like 15 cents a piece to manufacture. And despite their profit margins being astronomical, they still managed to rip off artists at every turn. So yeah, eff the music industry old guard and anything that they ever whine about.
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
What always bothered me was the mark-up on cd's which cost like 15 cents a piece to manufacture. And despite their profit margins being astronomical, they still managed to rip off artists at every turn. So yeah, eff the music industry old guard and anything that they ever whine about.
Reynaldo said:SportCasual said:keithvanhorn said: I find it much more objectionable that people are posting music of artists that they love and fooling themselves into thinking that they are serving the artist.
This is the main point about download sites. It's a strange combination of stalkerism, art critic syndrome, and just basically settling for mediocrity. I would have thought Reynaldo would be very critical of such moves.
I'm about the music, so much so that I'm willing to destroy an entire industry and impoverish any artist to feed my appetite.
Just like Google feels about the printed word.
Publishing is the future. Distribution will be a zero-profit endeavor. You need to man up and get in on the re-issue game. You can still keep the artists out of the loop if you want!
This is the main point about download sites. It's a strange combination of stalkerism, art critic syndrome, and just basically settling for mediocrity. I would have thought Reynaldo would be very critical of such moves.
I'm about the music, so much so that I'm willing to destroy an entire industry and impoverish any artist to feed my appetite.
Just like Google feels about the printed word.
Publishing is the future. Distribution will be a zero-profit endeavor. You need to man up and get in on the re-issue game. You can still keep the artists out of the loop if you want!
keithvanhorn said:
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
Tell us again about all those "saved jobs." I love that one.
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
Tell us again about all those "saved jobs." I love that one.
sabadabada said:keithvanhorn said:
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
Tell us again about all those "saved jobs." I love that one.
what are you talking about?
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
Tell us again about all those "saved jobs." I love that one.
what are you talking about?
And before that, they wanted to make playing records on the radio illegal too.
Regardless of the technologies involved, these are all very old arguments regarding the principles involved. All I know is that the biggest thieves in the music business is the music business. The well-being of artists or their heirs is a red herring.
this is such a load of shit. artists entering into unfair contracts with music labels, agents, managers, etc. is an entirely different ballgame. that's like me stealing fruits from wholefoods [assuming wholefoods was a co-op] and justifying it by saying that the farmers are getting screwed anyway.
it's amazing how logic gets distorted when people try to justify their own behavior.
it's a lot easier to just say - we are all part of the problem.
What exactly is the problem though? Whose interests are being protected? How does file sharing quantifiably impact the average artist or musician? What impact does it have on new releases? Or out of print music?
ODub......how about we film you teaching your class for a year, then package it on video and provide it to schools across the country to teach their students without you getting any compensation?
You signing up for that??
You signing up for that??
