Piracy Fight Shuts Down Music Blogs

[Rockadelic]

4YearGraduate said:


the crux is that fans are now the curators of peoples catalogs. This would be a 10 pager if I went in on the nuts and bolts of how fucked up this current situation is for Indy artists, and then I would have to listen to a bunch of non artists tell me how rad the Internet is for exposure and that you can make up all te extra money on the road. No thanks.




^^^^This^^^^

 

[DOR]

4YearGraduate said:


I wrote a song about this, the crux is that fans are now the curators of peoples catalogs. This would be a 10 pager if I went in on the nuts and bolts of how fucked up this current situation is for Indy artists, and then I would have to listen to a bunch of non artists tell me how rad the Internet is for exposure and that you can make up all te extra money on the road. No thanks.




I'm actually interested in that convo. If only because it can show both sides to an argument and open people up to idea's & information many don't know. From all sides.





Tho, I'm not interested in any one side trying to control the conversation. I understand that, that does in fact happen. And I can understand why you might not want to have to keep defending your position over and over. But it's good to hear the under side of things.





But then, I'm not an artist. Just a guy who sold music for most of his life.

 

[LaserWolf]

I have a neighbor who is a full time working juggler.





Hates youtube because of how bad amateur vids of his performances are.








A potential client is as likely not to hire him as to hire him after watching this video of his legs, with some dolt talking over his punch lines.





PS: Watch it any way, guy is amazing.

 

[4YearGraduate]

DOR said:4YearGraduate said:


I wrote a song about this, the crux is that fans are now the curators of peoples catalogs. This would be a 10 pager if I went in on the nuts and bolts of how fucked up this current situation is for Indy artists, and then I would have to listen to a bunch of non artists tell me how rad the Internet is for exposure and that you can make up all te extra money on the road. No thanks.




I'm actually interested in that convo. If only because it can show both sides to an argument and open people up to idea's & information many don't know. From all sides.





Tho, I'm not interested in any one side trying to control the conversation. I understand that, that does in fact happen. And I can understand why you might not want to have to keep defending your position over and over. But it's good to hear the under side of things.





But then, I'm not an artist. Just a guy who sold music for most of his life.




Well, below is pretty much everything i have to say about it. I wrote this while holding my newborn son in one arm wondering just what the fuck i was going to do with my life. I mean, i work the table at shows on the road and kids have no idea what album songs came from or where the fall, what year they came out, etc. And they love some stuff so great, I'm not mad at that because i suppose the bottom line is they heard it and they came out to the show. But the reality is I don't know how many shows Kool and The Gang did in 1974, i really don't care. All I care about are the albums they made and the physical legacy they left behind. And as such, if artists have to stay on the road, disconnected from reality, family and life, then the art will suffer - so to that end the "exposure is great, touring is where the pay off is" argument I hear and see over and over again on the net is a fallacy.





DivShare File - 18 All Good Things.mp3





the point of this is only to provide personal anecdote and suggest that the situation is very very grey and complicated.

 

[4YearGraduate]

 

[DOR]

"Joined Jul '05 and has posted 2158 times.


Loc: I know alot about things no one cares about"





I can't remember anytime you've posted on the strut that I've read, where I wasn't somewhat to very interested in what you put down...








But thx for the words above. I appreciate what you wrote.

 

[4YearGraduate]

DOR said:"Joined Jul '05 and has posted 2158 times.


Loc: I know alot about things no one cares about"





I can't remember anytime you've posted on the strut that I've read, where I wasn't somewhat to very interested in what you put down...








But thx for the words above. I appreciate what you wrote.




thanks man, i'm reuploading the track because i dont want people to have to download it to listen in the forum.





ahhhh, the irony.

 

[rootlesscosmo]

LaserWolf said:I have a neighbor who is a full time working juggler.





Hates youtube because of how bad amateur vids of his performances are.








A potential client is as likely not to hire him as to hire him after watching this video of his legs, with some dolt talking over his punch lines.





PS: Watch it any way, guy is amazing.




amazing post, start to finish. truth, humor dropped in equal measure. im srs.

 

[DOR]

Rockadelic said:ODub......how about we film you teaching your class for a year, then package it on video and provide it to schools across the country to teach their students without you getting any compensation?





You signing up for that??




I'm working on getting my MIT degree right this minute.





http://www.youtube.com/user/MIT

 

[Rich45s]

4YearGraduate said:mannybolone said:4YearGraduate said:File sharing has impacted my record sales astronomically, I know this firsthand both from numbers and talking to kids at the merch table.




I don't doubt this but in your case, it makes sense since, as an independent artist, your record sales and profit margin are (I'm presuming) in closer alignment with one another.





Curious: have you ever asked a music site to take down your material? And if not, why not?




Hell yes, we have a service that does this and they charge $1 a takedown of illegal album upload. When carried away dropped we owed them $400 the first week. Mostly kazakstan torrent sites and the like. I'm willing to give bloggers a little leeway but putting up the whole album is in bad taste IMO. YouTube is the real problem, albums uploaded all out order with no power to take down or control.





I wrote a song about this, the crux is that fans are now the curators of peoples catalogs. This would be a 10 pager if I went in on the nuts and bolts of how fucked up this current situation is for Indy artists, and then I would have to listen to a bunch of non artists tell me how rad the Internet is for exposure and that you can make up all te extra money on the road. No thanks.




PRS in the UK are licensing Youtube now. Terms of the deal were not disclosed so I am guessing it'll be a pittance, but if you are with ASCAP or BMI you want to be seeing where they are at with negotiations. As I say at present these sort of deals are a pittance, almost just a marker of the principle that these services should be licensed, and the artists and labels at least see something back from their work thats driving traffic to youtube and putting money in googles coffers